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Church rebuffs military concerns on Quran burning

By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer Mitch Stacy, Associated Press Writer 54 mins ago

GAINESVILLE, Fla. - A Christian minister said Tuesday that he will go ahead with plans to burn copies of the Quran this weekend to protest the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks despite a warning from the top U.S. general in Afghanistan that doing so would endanger American troops.

Pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center said he understands Gen. David Petraeus' concerns, but plans to go forward with the burning this Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the attacks.

He left the door open to change his mind, however, saying that he is still praying about his decision.

Petraeus warned Tuesday in an e-mail to The Associated Press that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan - and around the world - to inflame public opinion and incite violence."

Jones told the AP in a phone interview that he is also concerned but wonders how many times the U.S. can back down.

"We think it's time to turn the tables, and instead of possibly blaming us for what could happen, we put the blame where it belongs - on the people who would do it," he said. "And maybe instead of addressing us, we should address radical Islam and send a very clear warning that they are not to retaliate in any form."

Jones, who runs the small, evangelical Christian church with an anti-Islam philosophy, says he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip.

The threats started not long after the 58-year-old minister proclaimed in July that he would stage "International Burn a Quran Day." Supporters have been mailing copies of the Islamic holy text to his Dove World Outreach Center to be incinerated in a bonfire that evening.

The fire department has denied Jones a required burn permit for Sept. 11, but he has vowed to go ahead with his event. He said lawyers have told him his right to burn the Quran is protected by the First Amendment whether he's got permission from the city or not.

Muslims consider the Quran to be the word of God and insist it be treated with the utmost respect, along with any printed material containing its verses or the name of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect to the Quran is deeply offensive.

In this progressive north Florida town of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus, the lanky preacher with the bushy white mustache is mostly seen as a fringe character who doesn't deserve the attention he's getting.

Still, at least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in Gainesville have mobilized to plan inclusive events - some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services - to counter what Jones is doing. A student group is organizing a protest across the street from the church Saturday.

The Vatican newspaper on Tuesday published an article in which Catholic bishops, including Archbishop Lawrence John Saldanha of Lahore, Pakistan, criticized Jones' plan.

"No one burns the Quran," read the headline in Tuesday's L'Osservatore Romano.

Jones, who has about 50 followers, gained some local notoriety last year when he posted signs in front of his small church proclaiming "Islam is of the Devil." But his Quran-burning scheme, after it caught fire on the Internet, brought rebukes from Muslim nations and an avalanche of media interview requests just as an emotional debate was taking shape over the proposed Islamic center near the Ground Zero site in New York.

The Quran, according to Jones, is "evil" because it espouses something other than the Christian biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.

"It's hard for people to believe, but we actually feel this is a message that we have been called to bring forth," he said last week. "And because of that, we do not feel like we can back down."

FBI agents have visited to talk about their concerns for Jones' safety, as multiple Facebook pages with thousands of members have popped up hailing him as either a hero or a dangerous pariah.

His plan has drawn formal condemnation from the world's pre-eminent Sunni Muslim institution of learning, Al-Azhar University in Egypt, whose Supreme Council accused the church of stirring up hate and discrimination and called on other American churches speak out against it. Last month, Indonesian Muslims demonstrated outside the U.S. embassy in Jakarta, threatening violence if Jones goes through with it.

"Whenever there's a perception that America is somehow anti-Muslim, that harms our image and interests around the Islamic world," said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American Islamic Relations, a Washington-based Muslim civil rights group that has worked to discredit Jones and counter his message.

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Associated Press Writer Kimberly Dozier in Kabul, Afghanistan, contributed to this report.
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Fun Fact: Burning a Quran is considered to be one of the few ways to properly dispose of the Holy Book in a respectuous manner. It sure beats have it find its way to the slums, flushed down a toilet or tore appart.

(or so my muslim friends told me)
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Regardless of whether its some "procedurally correct" method, It's still no more than sticking two fingers up to the Muslim community.
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SolkaTruesilver wrote:Fun Fact: Burning a Quran is considered to be one of the few ways to properly dispose of the Holy Book in a respectuous manner. It sure beats have it find its way to the slums, flushed down a toilet or tore appart.

(or so my muslim friends told me)
The same's true of flags, but this fuckwit and his ilk tend to have a collective sense-of-humour failure with pictures like this.
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Reliant121 wrote:Regardless of whether its some "procedurally correct" method, It's still no more than sticking two fingers up to the Muslim community.
I wasn't commenting on the stupidity of the story. I just think that if they really wanted to be insulting, they should have made it a "Flush a Quran Day"
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I would imagine those that burn flags don't mean to dispose of it honourably for the most part and only mean it as an insult to a given country or institution. In this case the action is irrelavent, the thought behind it is what is dangerous.
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I can't believe that it would require General Petraeus to tell these numbskulls that disrespecting the Qu'ran would have bad repercussions for the American forces in-country. :roll:
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Why? Honestly, why do you need to do this?

Eh, I know why, the publicity.That this could wind up getting people killed is inconsequential. This shithead just wants the attention.
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Yeah, because us Americans like showing the world just how civilized we are, by spitting in the face of an entire religion because we're f*****g stupid :bangwall:
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Nickswitz wrote:Yeah, because us Americans like showing the world just how civilized we are, by spitting in the face of an entire religion because we're f*****g stupid :bangwall:
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SolkaTruesilver wrote:
Nickswitz wrote:Yeah, because us Americans like showing the world just how civilized we are, by spitting in the face of an entire religion because we're f*****g stupid :bangwall:
"We do not embrace other cultures, Worf! We CONQUER THEM!"
Sadly, that sounds so much like some people I know.

"They are different, different is bad, take them, convert them" Sounds like a Republican, no offense Tyyr, you obviously aren't that stupid.
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Nickswitz wrote:
SolkaTruesilver wrote:
Nickswitz wrote:Yeah, because us Americans like showing the world just how civilized we are, by spitting in the face of an entire religion because we're f*****g stupid :bangwall:
"We do not embrace other cultures, Worf! We CONQUER THEM!"
Sadly, that sounds so much like some people I know.

"They are different, different is bad, take them, convert them" Sounds like a Republican, no offense Tyyr, you obviously aren't that stupid.
If you are interested in some sociology, I read an interesting piece describing the three stage of cultural development in a society.

1) Barbarism. This when you consider your culture to be superior to others, just by virtue of it being yours. You dislike other cultures becaues of their values, their custom, their behavior.

2) Civilised. When you don't have an attitude about comparison of cultures. You think your own is as good as theirs.

3) Decadent. When you consider other people's culture to be superior to yours, and you try to immitate them.

The analyst claimed that the USA were a Barbarian civilisation, by virtue of it's young age. It doesn't make it a bad civilisation, nor does it make a weak one. It's just that it will look down on foreigners as "inferior" and think of the American culture to be the best by default. The American Way. The american movies, radio, books. Some americans even go as far as stating that they have done the majority of technological development in the world's history.

It is kinda reflected in the recent opening of Enterprise, when you think about it. It also explains why american movies never really bother doing things that doesn't involve an american in the story. But then again, maybe I am disgressing.
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1) Barbarism. This when you consider your culture to be superior to others, just by virtue of it being yours. You dislike other cultures becaues of their values, their custom, their behavior.
So the French have been stuck here since forever... so they have not grown at all.
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I'm rather dubious about that, Solka. For one, a country like the US has 300+ million inhabitants. In said culture will be people with a massive difference of opinion. Some will see the US as superior, others will see other nations as superior. Additionaly, how does that model apply to, say, the Roman Empire? At its height it was hardly imitating Barbarian culture and customs. Yet at the same time there were plenty of barbarian tribes who voluntarily intergrated into the Empire.

Modern day societies are so large and diverse that I'd be very dubious about ascribing to black/white views of what "stage" of culture a nation is at. Take the USA for example.

Some people think America is better than the rest of the world.
Some people think America should be better than the rest of the world but isn't yet.
Some people think the rest of the world is better than America.
Some people think the rest of the world should be America.
Some people think the rest of the world is America.
Some people think America should be run by another country
And some people think America is being run by another country.

And then there are others who don't care about all that as long as those darn Democrats stop trying to steal their guns.
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Nickswitz wrote:Yeah, because us Americans like showing the world just how civilized we are, by spitting in the face of an entire religion because we're f*****g stupid :bangwall:
Thats going way overboard really. Its not like 99% of Americans support this.

It does raise an interesting question though. It is not like anyone ever gets up in arms when some group burns American Flags and says something along the lines of "man, this may get a bunch of our people over in the US killed". Its just an interesting way to think about it.

This is without a doubt a stupid thing to do. But it is a small small group that no more represents the views of most citizens in the US than does Fred Phelps or the KKK.
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