33 Miners in Chile are Alive, but Stuck for Months

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33 Miners in Chile are Alive, but Stuck for Months

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33 miners in Chile are alive, but stuck for months

Trapped Chile miners found alive after 17 days Play Video AP - Trapped Chile miners found alive after 17 days

Sebastian Pinera AP - Chile's President Sebastian Pinera holds up a plastic bag containing a message, from miners trapped in
By MAURICIO CUERVAS, Associated Press Writer Mauricio Cuervas, Associated Press Writer - 55 mins ago

COPIAPO, Chile - For 33 men found alive after 17 days trapped deep in a copper and gold mine, the toughest challenge now may be preserving their sanity during the months it may take to carve a tunnel big enough for them to get out.

Chileans were euphoric Sunday after a narrow drill broke through 2,257 feet (688 meters) of solid rock to reach an emergency refuge where the miners had gathered. The trapped men quickly tied two notes to the end of a probe that rescuers pulled to the surface, announcing in big red letters: "All 33 of us are fine in the shelter."

"Today all of Chile is crying with excitement and joy," President Sebastian Pinera said at the mine.

And where many were beginning to give up hope, the scene above ground became a celebration Sunday night, with a barbecue for the miners' families, roving musicians, lit candles and Chilean flags making the barren landscape seem festive.

But rescuers said it could take as long as four months - until around Christmas - to carve a second shaft some 27 inches (68 centimeters) in diameter, wide enough for the miners to be pulled up one by one.

The men already have been trapped underground longer than all but a few miners rescued in recent history. Last year, three miners survived 25 days trapped in a flooded mine in southern China, and two miners in northeastern China were rescued after 23 days in 1983. Few other rescues have taken more than two weeks.

The miners' survival after 17 days is very unusual, but since they've made it this far, they should emerge physically fine, said Davitt McAteer, who was assistant secretary for mine safety and health at the U.S. Labor Department under President Bill Clinton.

"The health risks in a copper and gold mine are pretty small if you have air, food and water," McAteer said.

Still, he said the stress of being trapped underground for a long period of time can be significant.

"There is a psychological pattern there that we've looked at," McAteer said. But "they've established communication with the guys; there are people who can talk them through that."

The hole already drilled will be used to send down small capsules containing food, water and oxygen if necessary, and sound and video equipment so the miners can better communicate with loved ones and rescuers. That two-way communication may be key to keeping them thinking positive.

A video camera lowered down the probe shaft Sunday showed some of the miners, stripped to the waist in the underground heat, waving happily. But they weren't able to establish audio contact, Pinera said.

"I saw eight or nine of them. They were waving their hands. They got close to the camera and we could see their eyes, their joy," the president said.

The miners seemed to be aware that their rescue may take a long time, according to one of them, Mario Gomez, perhaps the eldest of the trapped men at 63, who wrote a note to his wife.

"Even if we have to wait months to communicate. ... I want to tell everyone that I'm good and we'll surely come out OK," Gomez wrote, scrawling the words on a sheet of notebook paper the miners tied to the probe. "Patience and faith. God is great and the help of my God is going to make it possible to leave this mine alive."

Mine officials and relatives of the workers had hoped the men reached a shelter below where the tunnel collapsed Aug. 5 at the San Jose gold and copper mine about 530 miles (850 kilometers) north of the capital, Santiago. But they had said the shelter's emergency air and food supplies would last only 48 hours.

Gomez wrote that the miners used vehicles for light and a backhoe to dig a channel to retrieve underground water.

It was unclear whether their air supply was in danger of running out.

Rescuers had drilled repeatedly in an effort to reach the shelter, but failed seven times. They blamed the errors on the mining company's maps. According to Gomez's note, at least some of those earlier probes were close enough that the trapped miners heard them. The eighth attempt finally worked.

Gomez's note, which the president read aloud on live television, focused on expressions of faith and love for his family. But frustration also showed through in one line, where he declared that "this company has got to modernize."

Chile is the world's top copper producer and a leading gold producer, and has some of the world's most advanced mining operations. But both the company that owns the mine, San Esteban, and the National Mining and Geology Service have been criticized for allegedly failing to comply with regulations. In 2007, an explosion at the San Jose mine killed three workers.

Liliana Ramirez couldn't believe it when Chile's mining minister said her husband had sent a note to his "Dearest Lila."

"I know my husband is strong, and at 63, is the most experienced miner who could lead his co-workers," she said, but she vowed to keep him above ground once he's rescued.

Authorities and relatives of the miners hugged, climbed a nearby hill, planted 33 flags and sang Chile's national anthem after discovering the miners had survived.

Along the length of Chile, horns honked, flags waved and people watched the drama unfold live on television and computer screens. It was a rush of good news in a country still rebuilding from a magnitude-8.8 earthquake Feb. 27 and its resulting tsunami, which together killed at least 521 people and left 200,000 homeless.
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First off, if this is a permanent rescue shelter why wasn't there already at least a small hole for ventilation and supplies? If not a larger escape hole in place? I know, money, but at least a way to pass supplies. The shelter's only good for 48 hours and given the depth, almost half a mile, it could easily be cut off for an extended period.

Second, if I were those guys I'd be asking if they could pass down a deck of cards or a Playboy or something. 4 months, shit.
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Maybe there was a passage, but it collapsed?

But yeah, that's going to take a serious toll on their minds. Trapped in a small underground area for four months, with 32 other people whom you may not even like, with the constant sound of digging and drilling coming from above?

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Frankly the first thing I'd do is set up some kind of 2 way communication and get these guys the ability to at least talk to people up on top, then I'd get them a radio, the music kind. Something to keep them occupied.
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Yeah, I think the only way to make that sort of sensory deprivation worse is to enforce it stuck in a hole with 32 other guys losing their minds the same way as you are.
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As someone quipped earlier, lets hope Kirk Douglas doesn't involved in the rescue effort.
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Sorry for the necro, but:
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Over two months ahead of schedule, the "Fenix 2" rescue pod is operational, and 6 (as of this writing) miners are on the surface and counting.
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Beat me too it!

It was nice to see the Chilean president there and a Bolivian minister for the Bolivian dude down there.
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As well as the international cooperation. While the solution ended up being an American one, based on a Pennsylvanian mining situation some years earlier, there was input from all over the world. In addition, physicians from NASA consulted on things like ascent speed and measures to prevent DVT.
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Good to see some good news for a change, and some international cooperation.

Quite a few people are pointing out the irony of not only the miners being rescued on Margaret Thatchers birthday, but that they also used a torpedo to do it.
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Mikey wrote:While the solution ended up being an American one, based on a Pennsylvanian mining situation some years earlier
Not quite - it's a German solution originally, from back in the 50s or 60s. I assume the Penn problem either copied or improved upon the German method.
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21 miners up now. Last one has two women waiting for him. Wife and mistress.
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Royal_Foxx wrote:21 miners up now. Last one has two women waiting for him. Wife and mistress.
That's probably why he wanted to be the last one out... :mrgreen:
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He may as well try and shoot the moon. "So before you divorce and dump me, don't you think this whole ordeal at least deserves a good-bye three way?"
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Captain Seafort wrote:
Mikey wrote:While the solution ended up being an American one, based on a Pennsylvanian mining situation some years earlier
Not quite - it's a German solution originally, from back in the 50s or 60s. I assume the Penn problem either copied or improved upon the German method.
If you're right, it was radically altered/improved for the Pennsy mining disaster, both in materials science and drilling technology.
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It's good to hear that this has come to an end with no loss of life.

One thing that's going to interest me about this is the psychological studies that will undoubtedly be done into this incident. A bunch of random guys, not screened or specially selected in any way, trapped in a small area under constant mental stress and with no hope for a quick escape should anything go wrong for a long period of time? I'm sure space agencies across the planet will be delighted to read the results that come out of this. After all, our first Lunar/Martian colonies pretty much are going to be a bunch of people trapped in a small area under constant mental stress and with no hope for a quick escape should anything go wrong.

I'm certain that we'll be still reading about this incident a decade from now.
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