Ireland Bans Blasphemey

[Aaron]

http://www.examiner.com/x-8928-Philadel ... sphemy-law

On Friday July 11th, 2009, Ireland passed the Defamation Bill by one vote. One of the aspects of this bill would make it illegal to criticize religion any religion under penalty of fines up to 25,000 Euros. That is the equivalent to nearly $35,000.

When I first heard this story on the internets, I was certain that it was a false story. I read the story, googled it, checked out legitimate Ireland news sites, and double checked more Ireland news sites. The story checks out. It seems that the Blasphemy Clause of the Defamation Bill was challenged in the legislature by an amendment which would delete such a clause. The amendment to delete the clause initially passed by one vote, but a request was made for a "walk-through vote." During that time two more Senators came in and voted against the amendment to delete the clause. This meant that the clause would stay in the bill. The bill then passed by the same margin.

Here is an excerpt from the Blasphemy Clause:

• Section 36
  
  (1) A person who publishes or utters blasphemous matter shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable upon conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €100,000. [Amended to €25,000]
  
  (2) For the purposes of this section, a person publishes or utters blasphemous matter if (a) he or she publishes or utters matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion, and (b) he or she intends, by the publication or utterance of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage.

This part of the bill makes it illegal to criticize any religion either verbally or in writing. Saying anything in which a "substantial number" of followers might find offensive would now be a crime in the Ireland. But the bill goes even further. Here is another excerpt:

• Section 37
  
  (1) Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 36, the court may issue a warrant (a) authorising any member of the Garda Siochana to enter (if necessary by the use of reasonable force) at all reasonable times any premises (including a dwelling) at which he or she has reasonable grounds for believing that copies of the statement to which the offence related are to be found, and to search those premises and seize and remove all copies of the statement found therein, (b) directing the seizure and removal by any member of the Garda Siochana of all copies of the statement to which the offence related that are in the possession of any person, specifying the manner in which copies so seized and removed shall be detained and stored by the Garda Siochana.

The Garda Siochana is the Irish police who can now (under this law) break into people's homes and confiscate copies of any book which might be critical of any religion. I keep trying to point out that any religious criticism is a crime, because many Christians are critical of differing religions. Atheists are not the only ones being targeted here. Simply claiming that the Pope is not infallible might be considered blasphemous to many Catholics. Claiming that the prophet Joseph Smith was not really visited by angels and given magic golden plates would be blasphemous to Mormons. Mentioning the prophet Mohammad without adding the phrase "peace be upon him" would be considered blasphemous to Muslims. And claiming that Scientology is a sham and that Tom Cruise is crazy would obviously be blasphemous to Scientologists.

What if a Christian claimed that if someone was not saved through Jesus Christ, he or she would spend eternity in Hell? An argument could be made that such a statement and even the Bible itself might be considered blasphemous to other religions. In fact, most religious are blasphemous to other religions. Maybe the Irish police will fine everyone.

Wow. It's like the Quebec language cops, except ten times as ridiculous.

[Tyyr]

Guess freedom of speech is just a US thing huh?

[Foxfyre]

God damn that is stupid. Oh guess I'm now getting fined. god damn it, oops there I go again I just can't watch my god damned mouth.....wow this became an expensive post, god damn

[Tyyr]

Well we don't want to go upsetting all those peaceful muslims again.

[Foxfyre]

hell I bet they are just as bad about it

[Nutso]

Reminds me of the human generated self-hating Daleks. "Do not blaspheme!"

At least Scientology has found it's haven.

[RK_Striker_JK_5]

Wow... that is inane beyond belief.

[Lazar]

Wow. It's like the Quebec language cops, except ten times as ridiculous.

I know in Britain recently there was a controversy over a proposed law against incitement to religious hatred, and I think they ended up passing a watered down version that was tolerable to free speech advocates. But this law sounds ridiculous.

[Tsukiyumi]

I think it's a great idea. Now, people can go back to secretly harboring hatred, or plotting in secret until they strike with no warning at all.




Seriously, what better way is there to keep track of hate groups than by letting them spout their dogmatic bullsh*t, then adding their names to the list?

[Lt. Staplic]

This has to be a joke...calls Rochey over....

God damn that is stupid. Oh guess I'm now getting fined. god damn it, oops there I go again I just can't watch my god damned mouth.....wow this became an expensive post, god damn

kinda reminds me of a soccer game I had to ref....cursing or profane language is prohibited and depending on the use of the word you can get any where from a yellow card to a red card for it (USSF Rules), it was a middle school game so usually your a little more lenient about minor rules, but one side was absolutely horrible...they were dropping F'bomb's in just about every sentence. So finally at half I went and talked to the couch and told him that they can't be cursing, and that I was going to start carding in the second half, his responce was "Oh d**n, I didn't realize it was that bad" I just looked at him, making him realize what he said to which I got a "F**k, I'm sorry" and then when he realized he'd done it again: "S**t!"

[Nickswitz]

Yeah, for some reason people use profanity way too much in middle school and High School. It's quite annoying after about ten minutes of constants curses....

[colmquinn]

Its a dumb idea but personally our politicians here probably couldn't find their ass with both hands, I'll probably be arrested for saying that soon enough the way their headed!

[Sionnach Glic]

What the fuck?

[Lazar]

Apparently an atheist group is planning to test the new law by publishing something blasphemous.

[Teaos]

God dammit... wait, no.