Priest: No communion for Obama supporters

[Mark]

COLUMBIA, S.C. - A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."

The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.

"Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president," Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.

"Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exits constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

Risking their immortal soul
During the 2008 presidential campaign, many bishops spoke out on abortion more boldly than four years earlier, telling Catholic politicians and voters that the issue should be the most important consideration in setting policy and deciding which candidate to back. A few church leaders said parishioners risked their immortal soul by voting for candidates who support abortion rights.

But bishops differ on whether Catholic lawmakers - and voters - should refrain from receiving Communion if they diverge from church teaching on abortion. Each bishop sets policy in his own diocese. In their annual fall meeting, the nation's Catholic bishops vowed Tuesday to forcefully confront the Obama administration over its support for abortion rights.

According to national exit polls, 54 percent of Catholics chose Obama, who is Protestant. In South Carolina, which McCain carried, voters in Greenville County - traditionally seen as among the state's most conservative areas - went 61 percent for the Republican, and 37 percent for Obama.

"It was not an attempt to make a partisan point," Newman said in a telephone interview Thursday. "In fact, in this election, for the sake of argument, if the Republican candidate had been pro-abortion, and the Democratic candidate had been pro-life, everything that I wrote would have been exactly the same."

Conservative Catholics criticized Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry in 2004 for supporting abortion rights, with a few Catholic bishops saying Kerry should refrain from receiving Holy Communion because his views were contrary to church teachings.

Some say move is too extreme
Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said she had not heard of other churches taking this position in reaction to Obama's win. A Boston-based group that supports Catholic Democrats questioned the move, saying it was too extreme.

"Father Newman is off-base," said Steve Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats. "He is acting beyond the authority of a parish priest to say what he did. ... Unfortunately, he is doing so in a manner that will be of great cost to those parishioners who did vote for Sens. Obama and Biden. There will be a spiritual cost to them for his words."

A man who has attended St. Mary's for 18 years said he welcomed Newman's message and anticipated it would inspire further discussion at the church.

"I don't understand anyone who would call themselves a Christian, let alone a Catholic, and could vote for someone who's a pro-abortion candidate," said Ted Kelly, 64, who volunteers his time as lector for the church. "You're talking about the murder of innocent beings."

[Tsukiyumi]

Says the church with the boy-loving priests...

I especially like this one: "You're talking about the murder of innocent beings."

No, moron, you're talking about the removal of simple cellular material. With no brain, it's not "alive" any more than a tumor is.

[Mark]

Lest anyone forget why the church and state were seperated.

[Teaos]

I think anyone who does this waves their tax free exeption by bring politics into religion.

That will shut the church up pretty damn quick.

[Tsukiyumi]

That's a pretty good idea, Teaos.

[Graham Kennedy]

Well just how is he going to know who supported Obama and who didn't? The privacy of the ballot box and all that.

Besides, whilst I make no claim to be a christian, isn't the whole point of the religion that we are all sinners and that our sins can be forgiven? So even if one accepted that voting for Obama was a sin, surely forgiving things like that is what christianity is for?

[Tsukiyumi]

...So even if one accepted that voting for Obama was a sin, surely forgiving things like that is what christianity is for?

In Catholicism, they have to confess their "sins" to a priest in order to be forgiven. So much for privacy...

[Sionnach Glic]

Well just how is he going to know who supported Obama and who didn't? The privacy of the ballot box and all that.

Besides, whilst I make no claim to be a christian, isn't the whole point of the religion that we are all sinners and that our sins can be forgiven? So even if one accepted that voting for Obama was a sin, surely forgiving things like that is what christianity is for?

Now now, Graham, you know you're not supposed to bring logic into these matters.

[Mark]

That's one thing that confused me........Catholics must confess to a priest, yet Christians need only confess to God. Hmmmm...........but I REALLY do happen to like Teaos's idea too

[Nutso]

I don't think the Vatican would like a priest turning away potential customers.

[Mark]

[Monroe]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081116/ap_ ... z1OWMDW7oF

Sad.

[Tsukiyumi]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081116/ap_ ... z1OWMDW7oF

Sad.

Makes me want to get an Obama t-shirt. Damn ignorant peons.

[Mikey]

American thought (for lack of a better term) seems to be like a glacier: for evey stride forward, there are big chunks of our populace which take two strides backward.

[Monroe]

American thought (for lack of a better term) seems to be like a glacier: for evey stride forward, there are big chunks of our populace which take two strides backward.

Not so much. We are progressively moving forward. Just we're such a large diverse country that there's always going to be sects that won't change. They'll die out but there will be more to take their place. Its moving forward but some pieces get left behind.