Britain: Religion is not an excuse for child abuse

[Sionnach Glic]

A devout Shia Muslim has been convicted of child cruelty after forcing two boys to beat themselves during a religious ceremony, in an unprecedented case.

The jury at Manchester Crown Court found 44-year-old Syed Mustafa Zaidi guilty of two counts of child cruelty.

The boys, aged 13 and 15, were forced to beat themselves with a zanjeer whip, with five curved blades.

Zaidi, of Station Road, Eccles, Salford, also flogged himself during the ceremony in January.

The court heard the boys admit that they had wanted to beat themselves, but not under duress and not with the whip.

The Ashura ceremony takes place during Muharram, the first month of the Islamic calendar and commemorates the death of Husayn, a central figure in the Shia faith.

Zaidi admitted he allowed them to use the bladed whip, but denied his actions were wrong, saying: "This is a part of our religion."

A local Muslim leader Safdar Zia has said the community was now working with police and the Crown Prosecution Service on a code of practice for the Ashura practice.

"We cannot eliminate this practice, but we can and will work to a code of practice so that the children don't get hurt, the law isn't broken, and the people who do want to take part don't get prosecuted," he said.

"We have to take into account people's beliefs and their rights, and we will respect them.

"But we are not above the law and we never will be and working with the authorities is the best chance we've got to prevent any harm being brought against any children."

During the trial the 14-year-old boy, who was 13 at the time, said that during the ceremony Zaidi told them both: "Start doing it, start doing it."

The child told the court: "We said 'we don't want to do it'."

He said he saw Zaidi flogging himself before washing blood from the whip and handing it to the 15-year-old boy.

The boy said Zaidi continued to pressure the older teenager to whip himself.

He said the 15-year-old boy "swung it once or twice and said 'I don't want to do it anymore'."

Zaidi told the court: "It was an emotional time and the children were happy, they asked for it. No one forced anyone.

"If I'd known this would be the result of breaking the law I would never have done it."

This is a very unusual case and the first of its kind to be prosecuted by the
CPS in England and Wales

The boys both received multiple lacerations to their backs, mainly superficial, with several deeper cuts.

Supt Nadeem Butt, of Greater Manchester Police, said: Zaidi had "abused the vulnerability" of the children, gone against the wishes of his own community and broken the law.

Carol Jackson, of the Greater Manchester Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), said the prosecution "was not an attack upon the practices or ceremonies of Shia Muslims".

"Indeed, the prosecution relied as part of its evidence upon the president of the local Shia community centre," Ms Jackson said.

"We are satisfied that, given the age of the children involved, the coercion employed by Syed Mustafa Zaidi, who did not accept that he was wrong, and the possibility of such an incident occurring again, the decision to prosecute by the Crown Prosecution Service was the correct one.

"This is a very unusual case and the first of its kind to be prosecuted by the CPS in England and Wales."

Zaidi will be sentenced on 24 September.

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[Mikey]

Hooray! One point for common sense over appeasement!

[Sionnach Glic]

Indeed, go Britain!

[Aaron]

Excellent. But flogging? How is that even remotely healthy for bystanders, let alone the kids?

[Sionnach Glic]

It's not. Keep in mind that these people we're talking about will tell kids to flog themselves. I doubt hygine is high on their list of priorities.

[Aaron]

It's not. Keep in mind that these people we're talking about will tell kids to flog themselves. I doubt hygine is high on their list of priorities.

I hope they enjoy their Hep C.

[Teaos]

Hey Christianity is just as f*cked up but at least your safe from physical harm there so long as you dont bend over.

[Aaron]

Hey Christianity is just as f*cked up but at least your safe from physical harm there so long as you dont bend over.

Hate you met some of the evangelical sects, or the mormons?

[Teaos]

Not really actually, my country is a mojority Roman Catholic with small groups of all the others.

[Mikey]

The stereotyped Mormons are actually a very small splinter fraction of the total number of Mormons in the US at least, but those snake-handlers and Pentecostals scare me.

[Aaron]

The stereotyped Mormons are actually a very small splinter fraction of the total number of Mormons in the US at least, but those snake-handlers and Pentecostals scare me.

Agreed. I had an acquitance in high school who was a member of the Pentecostal church. I reffered to it as the "religion of the five coasters", drove him nuts.

[Sionnach Glic]

The only group I've ever heard of that's been mentioned in this thread is the Mormons.

[KuvahMagh]

Good for Britain, practicing ones religion is one thing but forcing minors to beat themselves... totally unacceptable.

[Mikey]

Urban England has seemed for some time to be ready to do ridiculous things in order to appease Muslims. I'm all for religious freedom, but this is a great stroke for common sense.

[Aaron]

Urban England has seemed for some time to be ready to do ridiculous things in order to appease Muslims. I'm all for religious freedom, but this is a great stroke for common sense.

You know, Canada has been accused of the same thing but I haven't seen much to back it up. So what exactly has England done to appease Muslims?