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Iran cracks down on Baha'i

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(CNN) -- Six Baha'i leaders in Iran were seized and imprisoned this week, the religious group said. The act prompted condemnation and concern from the movement and a top American religious freedom panel.
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A U.S. panel says attacks on Iran's Baha'is have increased since Mahmoud Ahmadinejad became president.

Iranian intelligence agents searched the homes of the six on Wednesday and then whisked them away, according to the Baha'i's World News Service. The report said the six are in Evin prison and that the arrests follow the detention in March of another Baha'i leader.

The Iranian Foreign Ministry could not immediately be reached for comment, and the incident has not been mentioned in Iran's state-run media.

"Their only crime is their practice of the Baha'i faith," said Bani Dugal, the principal representative of the Baha'i international community to the United Nations.

The U.S. State Department issued a statement Friday "strongly" condeming the arrests, which it said were "a clear violation of the Iranian regime's international commitments and obligations to respect international religious freedom norms.

"We urge the authorities to release all Baha'is currently in detention and cease their ongoing harassment of the Iranian Baha'i community," the U.S. statement said.

The group -- regarded as the largest non-Muslim religious minority in Iran -- says the arrests are reminiscent of roundups and killings of Baha'is that took place in Iran two decades ago.
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"Especially disturbing is how this latest sweep recalls the wholesale arrest or abduction of the members of two national Iranian Baha'i governing councils in the early 1980s -- which led to the disappearance or execution of 17 individuals," Dugal said.

"The early morning raids on the homes of these prominent Baha'is were well-coordinated, and it is clear they represent a high-level effort to strike again at the Baha'is and to intimidate the Iranian Baha'i community at large," she added.

The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom -- a government panel that advises the president and Congress -- condemned the Wednesday arrests, as well as another in March. The commission chairman called the acts the "latest sign of the rapidly deteriorating status of religious freedom and other human rights in Iran."

The commission said the seven were members of an informal Baha'i group that tended to the needs of the community after the Iranian government banned all formal Baha'i activity in 1983.

The commission chairman, Michael Cromartie, echoed the fears that the "development signals a return to the darkest days of repression in Iran in the 1980s when Baha'is were routinely arrested, imprisoned, and executed."

The Baha'is are regarded as "apostates" in Iran and have been persecuted there for years.

"Since 1979, Iranian authorities have killed more than 200 Baha'i leaders, thousands have been arrested and imprisoned, and more than 10,000 have been dismissed from government and university jobs," the commission said.

The commission said that since President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came to power a few years ago, Baha'is "have been harassed, physically attacked, arrested, and imprisoned."

"During the past year, young Baha'i schoolchildren in primary and secondary schools increasingly have been attacked, vilified, pressured to convert to Islam, and in some cases, expelled on account of their religion."

The commission said other groups in the predominantly Shiite Muslim country of Iran, such Sufis and Christians, are subject to intimidation and harassment. Ahmadinejad's inflammatory statements about Israel have "created a climate of fear" among the country's Jews.

The Baha'is say they have 5 million members across the globe, and about 300,000 in Iran.

The Baha'is say their faith "is the youngest of the world's independent religions" and that its basic theme is that "humanity is one single race and that the day has come for its unification in one global society."

They say their founder, Baha'u'llah (1817-1892), is regarded by Baha'is as "the most recent in the line of Messengers of God that stretches back beyond recorded time and that includes Abraham, Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Christ and Muhammad."

The Baha'i are one of those peaceful religions. So I'm guessing they're cruising for a Tibetan style bruising.
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Yeah, I guess a religion can't get any respect in that region unless they're sawing off people's heads or stoning women to death...
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Bah, Israelis tie Palestinian children to the windshield of their border vehicles and shoot unarmed people from sentry outposts, and that doesn't make them respect Judaism.

I consider the whole affair (the Middle East and its issues, that is) as a testament to why church and state should always be separate, and fundamentalism of any variety is bad. As far as women's rights go we weren't exactly much better when religion ran our government, and that's why it's important to not give an inch to letting religion creep into government IMHO.

If you look at times when fundamental (insert any religion) gained political power, even "peaceful" religions like Buddhism, you'll find plenty of lopping of heads and oppression and persecution. I think it's important to keep a perspective that it isn't something inherently wrong with Islam, it's something inherently wrong with endorsing religious conviction as a legitimate arm of government.
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More crap from the Religion of Peace (TM). :roll:
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I was being sarcastic; I agree completely with what you just said, Dusk.
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I figured you did Tsuki. ;) I just feel compelled to point it out because there are so many people out there who think, for instance, it's something hardwired into Christianity and Islam that makes Christianity "good" and Islam "bad." As a non religious person with at least a passing interest in history I've seen plenty of evidence that every major religion has been quite bad in its time.
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Duskofdead wrote: If you look at times when fundamental (insert any religion) gained political power, even "peaceful" religions like Buddhism, you'll find plenty of lopping of heads and oppression and persecution.
Um. You just tend to get oppression and persecution independent of religion. For example China right now, and Russia in the past which are/were both explicitly secular.

It's more a matter of the people in power and what their people and others will let them get away with.
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Power corrupts. The only difference between having a religion in power or not is how they justify their actions.
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I agree Teaos. It is unfortunate, but true.
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Very true. Religion when used as this sort of justification is merely a tool - more convenient perhaps than others, but replaceable with any number of other excuses. The only thing that makes it worse is that it rings with power over the masses as well as over the influential individuals - see Richilieu or Rasputin, e.g. Hitler was not far off when he converted and inspired Germany to the "religion" of the Teutonic origin.
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Much to the chagrin of people who happen to be religious, this kind of thing is the reason why those of us who aren't sometimes wish religion would just go away. Religion is often used as just a "really good and successful PR arm" of government and the fact that religious people often can't see that until long after some really nasty stuff has been carried out for long periods of time is upsetting.
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I think religion is a better motivator than most things. How many people would blow themselves up if they didnt think there is 42 virgins waiting for them.
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Duskofdead wrote:Much to the chagrin of people who happen to be religious, this kind of thing is the reason why those of us who aren't sometimes wish religion would just go away. Religion is often used as just a "really good and successful PR arm" of government and the fact that religious people often can't see that until long after some really nasty stuff has been carried out for long periods of time is upsetting.
To be fair, there are plenty of other excuses for "really nasty stuff;" religion just happens to be one of the more convenient ones, and as such often comes under this type of attack by anti-religion "believers" who ignore both all these other excuses and the fact that in these cases, the religion in question is merely a veneer.

Stalin, for example, was staunchly anti-religion. I don't think anyone would question the fact that he performed some extraoridnarily "nasty stuff," much of it actually in the way of purging the faithful of the Orthodox and Byzantine Catholic Churches.
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Mikey wrote:
Duskofdead wrote:Much to the chagrin of people who happen to be religious, this kind of thing is the reason why those of us who aren't sometimes wish religion would just go away. Religion is often used as just a "really good and successful PR arm" of government and the fact that religious people often can't see that until long after some really nasty stuff has been carried out for long periods of time is upsetting.
To be fair, there are plenty of other excuses for "really nasty stuff;" religion just happens to be one of the more convenient ones, and as such often comes under this type of attack by anti-religion "believers" who ignore both all these other excuses and the fact that in these cases, the religion in question is merely a veneer.

Stalin, for example, was staunchly anti-religion. I don't think anyone would question the fact that he performed some extraoridnarily "nasty stuff," much of it actually in the way of purging the faithful of the Orthodox and Byzantine Catholic Churches.
I won't pretend to disagree at all. It's just that the whole "point" of religion is purportedly to help people rise up above mere worldliness and adhere to something better than man's rules. And when religion fails to be, in many cases, anything more than just another way that rich authoritarian personalities get people to go along with whatever they want them to do, then it becomes very hard to see where the positive tradeoff is, except to the individual believer who somehow thinks regardless of what happens on Earth something good is waiting for him or her.
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I agree. Religion often becomes a tool that is twisted to be used toward a personal end. My point was simply that it's not the only such tool.
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