Hitler's Britain

[Aaron]

No idea what your talking about, TBH.

[Deepcrush]

The way you guys talk. The you said the letter "a" or anything with the letters "ou". It just sounds funny, like someone speaking for the first time.

[BigJKU316]

Everyone is right. Sealion was a stupid plan with no chance of ever getting off the ground. The only way I can conceive of the Germans getting the UK to give in would be for them to focus on the Brits and grab the Suez or something and bring about a change in government to someone more willing to cut a deal. Even then the terms would be far less than surrender.

As for the conjecture about the US response to this I think it is war with Germany sooner rather than later. The RN (if the Nazi's are by some miracle able to get a British government to surrender prior to landings) would probably flee to the US rather than be turned over to the Germans and that would bring things to a head quickly.

If the UK were occupied by the Nazi's somehow the US could never retake it. The war would drag on until sometime in the late-1940's. Then one day a bunch of B-36's flying higher than German aircraft can go will drop a few hundred nukes on Germany and render the issue of invasion moot.

[Captain Seafort]

Everyone is right. Sealion was a stupid plan with no chance of ever getting off the ground. The only way I can conceive of the Germans getting the UK to give in would be for them to focus on the Brits and grab the Suez or something

How exactly are they going to do that? We had hundreds of thousands of troops in the Nile Delta, a whacking great port to sustain them, and the closest harbour to the west is Tobruk. Rommel had serious problems maintaining the limited forces he had at Alamein. How is he going to maintain a far larger force further east against much tougher resistance?

[BigJKU316]

Everyone is right. Sealion was a stupid plan with no chance of ever getting off the ground. The only way I can conceive of the Germans getting the UK to give in would be for them to focus on the Brits and grab the Suez or something

How exactly are they going to do that? We had hundreds of thousands of troops in the Nile Delta, a whacking great port to sustain them, and the closest harbour to the west is Tobruk. Rommel had serious problems maintaining the limited forces he had at Alamein. How is he going to maintain a far larger force further east against much tougher resistance?

I don't think he probably could, though if the Germans could commit more of their air force to the Med. and the Italian Navy was willing to go for broke they could at least try. At least it is a productive attempt to do something to force the UK out. I still don't think it works.

[Sionnach Glic]

As for the conjecture about the US response to this I think it is war with Germany sooner rather than later. The RN (if the Nazi's are by some miracle able to get a British government to surrender prior to landings) would probably flee to the US rather than be turned over to the Germans and that would bring things to a head quickly.

I think it's a bit more likely that they'd head to Canada, myself. But I agree that any conquest of Britain would have probably caused the US to sit up and get involved.

If the UK were occupied by the Nazi's somehow the US could never retake it.

Uh, why? It's a large island with a population who would be actively resisting occupation and whose military forces are difficult for the Reich to keep supplied due to the Channel and the RN's presence there. It's also got an excellent staging post (Northern Ireland) not too far away from it, and far too big a coastline to adequately defend.

Had Britain been conquered, the war would probably have ended quicker, as German troops defending or killed defending Britain from an Allied counter-invasion would not be available for Hitler to throw under the tracks of the Red Army, leading to a much quicker Soviet advance across Europe.

[Monroe]

The Documentary theorizes that Germany would have won the war with Russia had they had won the Battle of Britain. It says that without British distracting troops in Greece then the Germans could have started earlier on their invasion and taken the key cities pushing the Russians back to the Urals. It then says that the Soviet Union would then fragment and Hitler would have won.

Personally I don't see that as very likely. It would have taken awhile to take over all of Britain and subdue it enough to launch Barbarossa and the Germans may still have gotten off to a late launch. Also there would be less Germans in the attack slowing it down. But who knows its all made up conjuncture at this point.

[Sionnach Glic]

The idea of Hitler taking down the USSR is about as likely as him conquering Britain in the first place. They're both utterly ludicrous scenarios. Russia could never have been conquered by Hitler - it simply has too many troops, too much land and too much resources.

[Deepcrush]

I think we're all better just counting this "Documentary" as crap and moving on with our lives.

[Captain Seafort]

The Documentary theorizes that Germany would have won the war with Russia had they had won the Battle of Britain. It says that without British distracting troops in Greece then the Germans could have started earlier on their invasion and taken the key cities pushing the Russians back to the Urals. It then says that the Soviet Union would then fragment and Hitler would have won.

The documentary, as Deep says is a pile of crap. Not even Hitler was stupid enough to go after the USSR without securing his rear flank. Yugoslavia was too close to Romania, so the risk of an attack from there taking or crippling the oil fields was too great. Plus even if, by some miracle, the Germans actually reached the Urals, good luck holding a line that long against the Red Army, which would still have it's entire industry behind it.

[Captain Seafort]

I think we're all better just counting this "Documentary" as crap and moving on with our lives.

Just as you always count idiots as idiots and move on with your life?

[Deepcrush]

I think we're all better just counting this "Documentary" as crap and moving on with our lives.

Just as you always count idiots as idiots and move on with your life?

Ah, fair point. Destroy it a will then.

[stitch626]

The only way it could have worked is if the Germans got help from the future by some creepy dudes that equipped plasma cannons onto the Stukas.

[Captain Seafort]

The only way it could have worked is if the Germans got help from the future by some creepy dudes that equipped plasma cannons onto the Stukas.

We've had the "what changed in Storm Front" debate before. The key problems the Germans had, which made it utterly certain they would lose the war, were their industrial capacity, sealift, and manpower. The first and last meant it was impossible for them to match either the US or the USSR, and the second made it impossible for them to mount any amphibious attack against a defended coast. No degree of improved firepower would have allowed them to take on the US - they simply couldn't get there.

[Sionnach Glic]

Indeed. Their superweapons would need to be allowing their troops to get kill ratios of about 1000:1 to give the Reich any chance of surviving, let alone advancing. And even then Germany would still be hammered since their superweapons can't be everywhere.

Really, the only way in which Storm Front makes sense is if we assume the aliens also gave the Reich cloning tanks and replicators.