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Captain Picard's Hair wrote:

sunnyside wrote:It's generally believed that the company in question, Genepax, is simply BSing everybody.

There is a possibility that they are simply being slightly misleading for the purpose of hype before releasing the details. In that the way it works is that the water reacts with one of a number of things to power the cars fuel cell. In which can the other thing is really the fuel.

Or they could just be stone cold bluffing.

Yeah, the claim does sound rather incredulous. It's a good idea, but the tech isn't there yet.

Or maybe the Asgard helped them

Ok. To clariffy. The Genepex car runs off of water (not a fuel cell). You pour water into the tank, the hydrogen and oxygen of the water molecules are separated in the engine. Somewhere in the process (Genepex has not released all of their data, due to the pending patent) electrons are stripped from the hydrogen (the hydrogen is not used as fuel) then the hydrogen and oxygen are released into the atmosphere. There is no combustion, there are no fuel cells. It is a tank that you pour water into and make the car go.
Remember, electricity=moving electrons. And electrons are very easy to remove from atoms, just rub your hair against a balloon for a simple example.
The only reason the car needs a battery is to start the engine.

And the reason this is better than a pure electric car is that an electric car will run out of electricity and you may not be near an outlet. For this car, just keep a couple gallons of water in your trunk. Remember is can go 200 miles on one gallon of water. Easy to fill up if your tank is empty.

And Sunny, there is no fuel cell (I know, I'm repeating myself), the electricity goes to the motor from the engine directly, just like in an electric car (though in an electric car, the electricity comes from a bunch of batteries, instead of an engine).

And CPH, about the tech not being there, there is a reason it is called invented.

stitch626 wrote:Ok. To clariffy. The Genepex car runs off of water (not a fuel cell). You pour water into the tank, the hydrogen and oxygen of the water molecules are separated in the engine. Somewhere in the process (Genepex has not released all of their data, due to the pending patent) electrons are stripped from the hydrogen (the hydrogen is not used as fuel) then the hydrogen and oxygen are released into the atmosphere. There is no combustion, there are no fuel cells. It is a tank that you pour water into and make the car go.
Remember, electricity=moving electrons. And electrons are very easy to remove from atoms, just rub your hair against a balloon for a simple example.
The only reason the car needs a battery is to start the engine.

And the reason this is better than a pure electric car is that an electric car will run out of electricity and you may not be near an outlet. For this car, just keep a couple gallons of water in your trunk. Remember is can go 200 miles on one gallon of water. Easy to fill up if your tank is empty.

Oxygen and protons are released? That's what you get when you take the electron from a hydrogen atom. Or does it get recombined, in which case it would be sensible to recombine them into water.

And Sunny, there is no fuel cell (I know, I'm repeating myself), the electricity goes to the motor from the engine directly, just like in an electric car (though in an electric car, the electricity comes from a bunch of batteries, instead of an engine)

Where is the cathode? You need a complete circuit to have electricity; this is why fuel cells recombine the protons with electrons. If the protons are in fact, recombined into H, then this operates exactly the way a fuel cell does... but isn't? Further, how does this "engine" separate Hydrogen from water, but produce a net energy gain? Separating water sounds easy, but it turns out that it takes huge amounts of energy since water is a highly stable molecule.

And CPH, about the tech not being there, there is a reason it is called invented.

What I'm pointing out is that such an invention would be revolutionary, to say the least. Incredible claims require incredible evidence. Knowing the technical challenge, I need to see exactly how this works, and proof that it does work as claimed.

To be clear as they propose this it is a perpetual motion machine. With a strong gain. If it does work without some "gotcha" we'll have to rewrite the physics textbooks and all the earths energy problems will be pretty much solved forever. Because you can get even more energy recombining hydrogen with its lost electrons and recombining that hydrogen to make water.

Captain Picard's Hair wrote:

And CPH, about the tech not being there, there is a reason it is called invented.

What I'm pointing out is that such an invention would be revolutionary, to say the least. Incredible claims require incredible evidence. Knowing the technical challenge, I need to see exactly how this works, and proof that it does work as claimed.

I'm sure many people said the same thing about cars, planes, TVs, the Internet and space ships. Yet those revolutionary inventions still came around. This could just be another revolutionary invention that people will mistrust at first, but slowly accept as it makes their lives easier.

Unfortunatly, anything I could say on how the engine works would be pure speculation. To my knowledge, the company has not released that information.

So... this might be a scam? A little confused, but par for the course for me. If it's real, how long before it's buried right next to Hoffa?

I'm sure Cheney will be able to bury it within the 7 months he has left.

I'm pretty sure this isn't a scam. I mean, they did pour water into the tank and the car ran. As for government interference, all I can say is, they better not.

Don't cheer too early guys, bacteriae have been developped that produce oil.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 133668.ece

Now, who needs other ways o run a car rather than good old gasoline?

What!
That is gross.

stitch626 wrote:What!
That is gross.

So is Milk if you think about.

What's wrong with bovine gland extract?

If it's real, I'd buy one, or get my car converted to run on water, if possible.

ChakatBlackstar wrote:

stitch626 wrote:What!
That is gross.

So is Milk if you think about.

As Lewis Black said, "Soy milk?! It's soy JUICE. There's no such thing as soy MILK, because there's no such thing as a soy t*t."