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shran wrote:

SolkaTruesilver wrote: I know Remy Girard, I have no idea who the best Canadian actor evar is (although, there is probably a reason to that. The best Quebecois actors stay in Quebec and become a legend among us. The best Canadian actors go to Hollywood and becomes pseudo-American stars. Go Pamela!)

You know you should answer that that would be William Shatner. He's even born in Quebec.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shatner

Worse. He's from Montreal.

At least, he learned french, which I will always appreciate in my fellow English-Quebecois who take the effort to. There are simply too many who just never cared about who's land they lived in.

Edit: Shouldn't have said "fellow", as I think that it means that I am also an English-Quebecois, which I am not. I meant "Quebec Fellowship" rather than English-Quebec Fellowship, just so you know

Captain Seafort wrote:

SolkaTruesilver wrote:In Canada, there are "Canadians" and "Quebecois" as the mainstream cultures

Wrong. Regardless of your attempts to brush it under the rug, First Nations culture is considerably different from the culture of the major cities, the prairies or Quebec. Canada has far more different cultural groups than just Quebec and everyone else.

You have a rather alien interpretation of the word "Mainstream", Captain. You know, as in being quite a large demographic bloc in your population? First Nations are a multitude of cultures, but they aren't a mainstream culture.

Captain Seafort wrote: Yes. You have a Canadian passport (if any). You pay taxes to Ottawa. You are part of Canada. Get over it.

God you a thick. Are you even reading my argument making a difference between Culture Heritage and Citizenship?

Captain Seafort wrote: And if I were Canadian I'd celebrate 13th September and 9th April.

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote: I'm an American and I haven't seen a full minute of American Idol, Survivor or a large portion of recent TV shows.

Can't really blame you, as I never watched any of the equivalent we have in Quebec (Star Academy).

But this is "adult" culture. I was mostly referring to "Children" culture, the one you can't really pick for yourself, as you are too young and too inexperimented to actually make such choice. Now, as adult, it's easy to go see what you like (Sci-Fi for me!!), but children's show.. well, you have to take what's going on TV, and in the local bookstors. We were sung some songs in French for christmas, we had our tales, and I've just never learned who was Dr Seuss until the movie came out a few years ago.

You know, different culture upbringing. Canadians (non-Quebecois) share a lot of that aspect of their culture with the U.S.

(and they rarelly speak saying "eh" )

SolkaTruesilver wrote:

And if I were Canadian I'd celebrate 13th September and 9th April.

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I believe he's reffering to the Battle of the Plains of Abraham and Vimy Ridge.

Sionnach Glic wrote:

SolkaTruesilver wrote:

And if I were Canadian I'd celebrate 13th September and 9th April.

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I believe he's reffering to the Battle of the Plains of Abraham and Vimy Ridge.

My people don't really like to celebrate the first instance. Since it represented the end of our lives under the French Reign, and the start of the British domination.

The 2nd is something that we like to bring up when the anniversary comes up, but mostly because French-Canadians were often used as cannon fodder, and at the time could hardly become officers if they did not forgone their french accent. Still, many Quebecois are proud of what their F.C. predecessors achieved during wartime, even if it was sometimes against their will.

Well, Seafort's a Brit through and through, so he probably sees the first as a good thing and the second as being something worth comemorating for the valour of the Canadians in question.

Sionnach Glic wrote:Well, Seafort's a Brit through and through, so he probably sees the first as a good thing and the second as being something worth comemorating for the valour of the Canadians in question.

There have been tries of special re-enactment of the Abraham's Plain battle for the anniversary, which mostly fell flat out of the protest of Quebecois against it. The Canadians were kinda clueless as to why we don't want to celebrate our worst military defeat which put us under british domination.

I guess it's kinda like the Orangist who don't understand why it's a bad idea to go parade in Irish Catholic neighbourhood to celebrate a previous victory, eh?

Oh trust me, the Orange fellows know just what the problem is.

SolkaTruesilver wrote:Worse. He's from Montreal.

Hmmm, yet here you are complaining about the English-speaking Canadians' prejudice against you. Pot, I'd like to introduce you to kettle...

SolkaTruesilver wrote:God you a thick. Are you even reading my argument making a difference between Culture Heritage and Citizenship?

We all get it - I even said it more explicitly than you did. The fact of the matter is this: as long as one of those criterion is met by the term "Canadian" - either cultural heritage or political citizenship - then it is patently NOT incorrect nor slanderous to call you a Canadian. You should count yourself lucky - most of the time around here, you wouldn't even get that but rather Canuck, hoser, etc.

SolkaTruesilver wrote:You have a rather alien interpretation of the word "Mainstream", Captain. You know, as in being quite a large demographic bloc in your population? First Nations are a multitude of cultures, but they aren't a mainstream culture.

Like Seafort said, another attempt to brush NAN culture under the rug. Numbers mean very little in how valid those cultures are. However, playing along with you, could you provide some information? What percentage of the total Canadian population (that includes Quebec, BTW) is NAN... then, what percentage of the total Canadian population (including the NAN) is Quebecois (not native English speakers who happen to hail from Quebec province?)

I'd be willing to bet it would be just as facile for me to marginalize Quebecois culture as it is for you to do so to NAN culture... if I were so inclined.

SolkaTruesilver wrote:You have a rather alien interpretation of the word "Mainstream"

And your interpretation is literally alien.

You know, as in being quite a large demographic bloc in your population? First Nations are a multitude of cultures, but they aren't a mainstream culture.

They comprise almost 4% of the total population - Francophone Quebecers comprise a bit over 19%. Neither of them can truly be considered "mainstream", but they are both significant minorities.

God you a thick. Are you even reading my argument making a difference between Culture Heritage and Citizenship?

I am. I'm also dismissing it because the term "Canadian" primarily refers to nationality, not culture. You're the one who started this argument by objecting to being referred to as such, in a context that clearly referred to nationality, and compounded that objectionable statement with an analogy that implied that you considered "Canada" to be a geographical description and "Quebec" to be a country, rather than the other way round as is actually the case.

Captain Seafort wrote:They comprise almost 4% of the total population - Francophone Quebecers comprise a bit over 19%.

There's my answer. The main groups of U.S. minorities entail far larger percentages of our population than the Quebecois do of Canada's; and the Quebecois as easily marginalized as the NAN by someone who wished to do so.

Mikey wrote:

Captain Seafort wrote:They comprise almost 4% of the total population - Francophone Quebecers comprise a bit over 19%.

There's my answer. The main groups of U.S. minorities entail far larger percentages of our population than the Quebecois do of Canada's; and the Quebecois as easily marginalized as the NAN by someone who wished to do so.

As a fraction of the population, Francophone Quebecers are rarer than Francophone Swiss. The latter do not get into a song-and-dance about the differences between themselves and German-speaking Swiss. They're just Swiss.

This is a strange debate. Its not like the term Canadian is derogatory or something, it just refers to where you live right? I may not want to be associated with most of the morons in my country most of the time, but I have no problem being called an American. Calling someone "Canadian", "English", or something seems to be the most neutral way to describe part of someone without going into religion, race, or something like that which can be rather touchy subjects.

Seems it is half based on cultural heritage and half on racial heritage "from what I understand" I could fairly easily ask to be named a "white englishman with dutch/arabic heritage who associates with the cultural centre of brighton and hove". I'm being extreme, but thats how it seems to be.