EU: "Democracy? What's that?"

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:48 pm

A New World Order????

Just be grateful the UN hasn't got the EU's desires.

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:08 pm

Yet. Is it true that the EU is also trying to get some substantial power over NATO? Just on of those random things I heard while chatting with some randoms at a bar (So not exactly reliable information to say the least...)

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:12 pm

It's trying to establish an "EU army" in competition to NATO, but I've never heard any suggestion of it attempting to establish any degree of control over it. It would be a waste of time trying to anyway, given that NATO's effectively US Forces Europe, plus a few extras.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:58 pm

Ah, yes, "EUFOR". An army that has somehow managed to make itself even less useful than the French army.

Post by **Mikey** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:01 pm

Rochey wrote:Ah, yes, "EUFOR". An army that has somehow managed to make itself even less useful than the French army.

Who'd have thought that was possible?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:05 pm

Well, it does contain French troops.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:07 pm

It also contains Dutch troops, who have a far more recent record of uselessness.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:15 pm

Well, at least they can balance each other out 8)

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:17 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:It also contains Dutch troops, who have a far more recent record of uselessness.

Pardon me? They are one of the four NATO nations deployed in Afghanistan to actually engage in combat on a regular basis. Are you sure your not thinking of Germany?

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:19 pm

Eh? How exactly do two lots of useless troops balance each other out? If anything they'd amplify each other's uselessness - the Ghurkas would have problems compensating for that degree of uselessness.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:21 pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:Pardon me? They are one of the four NATO nations deployed in Afghanistan to actually engage in combat on a regular basis. Are you sure your not thinking of Germany?

My apologies to the Dutch army if they've improved since the mid 90's - I'm thinking specifically of the cock-up at Srebrenica.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:26 pm

Perhaps I should say they cancel each other out.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:29 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:
My apologies to the Dutch army if they've improved since the mid 90's - I'm thinking specifically of the cock-up at Srebrenica.

That's not exactly a fault of the Army but the Dutch government themselves and the BS ROE from the UN. But yes, they are just as capable as any of the NATO nations and I'd personally put them in the top five.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:36 pm

Fair enough then - the apology is therefore extended to the original statement.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:07 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:Fair enough then - the apology is therefore extended to the original statement.

Thank you kindly.

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