USS Daystrom Stats

[Duskofdead]

I agree, saying things like that would be a very weak argument. Saying things like that make your argument weak, which is precisely why I have not and precisely why my argument is far stronger.

And I already voiced earlier that

1) The OCD fixation with being right, and being communally recognized as being right, and hammering at someone until they will admit you're right, is part of the source of the problem here.

2) This is a game, who is "right" should be a secondary consideration to what is fun and accomodates everyone in a role they would enjoy playing.

I didn't say it in so many words but it was between the lines. Your attitude is every bit as much of the problem here as Blackstar's specificity about the sort of role she'd like to have.

[Tsukiyumi]

The Akira is not comparable to a modern day aircraft carrier. Indeed, Starfleet is not comparable in most aspects to the US Navy.

Funny, that comparison crops up all the time around here.

As for fighters, the current method is simple: the Commander, Air Group, or CAG is equal in rank to the CO of the ship, and controls all fighter operations.

Commander, Air Group

Just food for thought.

[Thorin]

1) The OCD fixation with being right, and being communally recognized as being right, and hammering at someone until they will admit you're right, is part of the source of the problem here.

Which is precisely what Blackstar is doing too, but he has the problem of having no facts to support his argument.

2) This is a game, who is "right" should be a secondary consideration to what is fun and accomodates everyone in a role they would enjoy playing.

I didn't say it in so many words but it was between the lines. Your attitude is every bit as much of the problem here as Blackstar's specificity about the sort of role she'd like to have.

I'll assume you've not read all of it then, as he's been name calling all along and threatened to hack me. Yeah, I have the bad attitude.

The fact is that tactical, in this RP, was charged with protecting the ship using all military means. Doesn't matter what goes on in a modern navy. I signed up for being the leader of the department who is tasked with protecting the ship using all military means. There is so far no reason to change it - both in story there is no logical reason, and out of story that's what I signed up for. I don't see why I should change because of Blackstar's poor planning.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Actually the fighters would be under the command of the wing commander. I was always under the impression the fighters of a carrier weren't operated by the guy in charge of the carrier's defensive weapons

Allow me to look this up. Be back momentarily.

The Akira is not comparable to a modern day aircraft carrier. Indeed, Starfleet is not comparable in most aspects to the US Navy.

Since when? We've compared to the navy or other armed forces in every other arguement on the forum.

[Thorin]

Funny, that comparison crops up all the time

An aircraft carrier's only reason for existance is to carry aircraft. The Akira is far more than that, carrying the fighters is far down the priority list, and is most certainly not the reason the Akira exists.

[Sionnach Glic]

The situations really aren't that comparable. We've compared them in design practices, because in that area, they're somewhat similar. In terms of operations, however, they are rather different.

Actually the fighters would be under the command of the wing commander.

Who, on this ship, is under Tactical.

[Duskofdead]

There is so far no reason to change it - both in story there is no logical reason, and out of story that's what I signed up for. I don't see why I should change because of Blackstar's poor planning.

See, that right there is the whole problem. This is a game. Find a way to compromise, be flexible, and keep everyone in a fun, relevant role. But you two are acting more concerned with being sure that a "mistake" gets "punished", and if that comes in the form of someone having to murder off their character or quit the RP, that's fine with you. So we're back to inflexibility.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

I'll assume you've not read all of it then, as he's been name calling all along and threatened to hack me. Yeah, I have the bad attitude.

First of all, read my fraking sig! Second of all, you should've realized you aren't worth the time and resources it takes to hack you.

[Monroe]

No I didn't. I went along with it.

That's true, that was my idea. I left it open in case Blackstar didn't want to do that but I thought it sounded like good RP potential.
And to get Munro off M'Real's back all she would have to point out is he's being a hypocrit since he's Breen and has suffered intolerance because of his race before. I probably shouldn't tell you how to get out of that but that would be a low blow to Munro.

Well, thank you Monroe. It's nice that you're being helpful. That's really the type of thing I should've thought of though...oh well, I was distracted with keeping my character on ship though. Thank you monroe

I'm not a fan of some of your word choices to describe people but I don't like to ruin anyone's RP. I've taken your side before like with the black box so please don't take my character's actions as my own personally.

Honestly being a grunt is just as fun as being an officer. You'll still be taken on away missions and what not. Yar wasn't much more than an ensign was she? or a lieutiant? And she turned out okay... >.> But serously in shows there are those ensigns and other lower ranks that are in every episode and you won't be ordered to do anything you dislike OOC.

Far as the ranks go. In the real life military a lower rank sometimes commands a higher one. Usually the higher one feels a bit insulted Sometimes also when you switch jobs or MOS as its called in the army you take a temporary drop in rank. That's because there's not an equilivant rank open for you in that field so you take the next lowest rank to your current one. Then you have priority for a promotion and usually a reassignment.

[Thorin]

Since when? We've compared to the navy or other armed forces in every other arguement on the forum.

See above. The Akira is not designed to be a carrier - hell - it only carries 7 fighters! It only carries them because it can, because they fit, not because that was it's design specification. It was designed to be a heavy warship, a torpedo boat. That's so increadibly on the opposite end of the scale of being designed solely to carry other vessels that they're completely not comparable.

[Thorin]

See, that right there is the whole problem. This is a game. Find a way to compromise, be flexible, and keep everyone in a fun, relevant role. But you two are acting more concerned with being sure that a "mistake" gets "punished", and if that comes in the form of someone having to murder off their character or quit the RP, that's fine with you. So we're back to inflexibility.

I have been willing to compromise, in saying that he can join tactical. He hasn't been willing to compromise in that he won't report to my character. Please, read the entire argument. If he wants to quit I couldn't care less, he has threatened me with hacking, name calling, and (yeah, get this!) even hoped my character dies thanks to a console exploding.

[Sionnach Glic]

That attitude ain't helping, you know.

Look, the facts here are simple:
The fighters are under the control of Tactical.
That is how it has always been.
That is not going to change.
Blackstar had been offered a job in Tactical.
Blackstar has refused the job in Tactical.
Blackstar was offered jobs in other departments.
Blackstar has refused these jobs.
Blackstar insisted on taking over the fighters.
Blackstar was offered numerous compromises.
Blackstar refused these compromises.
Blackstar again insisted on taking over the fighters.

And that's where we are now.

[Thorin]

Actually the fighters would be under the command of the wing commander.

Who, on this ship, is under Tactical.

PRECISELY

The Wing Commander being Lieutenant Anker Zionex, who at first he ignored because he didn't want to address the fact I have other characters, then made it into his primary point.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Since when? We've compared to the navy or other armed forces in every other arguement on the forum.

See above. The Akira is not designed to be a carrier - hell - it only carries 7 fighters! It only carries them because it can, because they fit, not because that was it's design specification. It was designed to be a heavy warship, a torpedo boat. That's so increadibly on the opposite end of the scale of being designed solely to carry other vessels that they're completely not comparable.

Nimitz class carriers can carry as many as 90 fighters but rarely operate that amount. Just because it's a duel purpose ship doesn't make it's carrier function any less important. The russian ships are duel purpose as carriers and battlecruisers. Is that ship's weapons officer in charge of the fighter wing? Why would this ship be any different?

[Monroe]

And besides if you really wanted to fly, Blackstar, wouldn't being a normal pilot be funner? Tactical doesn't fly those ships. The position you're wanting to make doesn't fly them. You want to be flying the ships be in a job that actually flies them. Either have M'Real behind the 'wheel' or a new character. I wanted security back when we had a chief of security, his right hand man, and several NPCs. I decided to be a grunt because I really wanted to be in security. My bosses just died under suspicious ways. >.>