BETA SIM IC THREAD

[Tyyr]

Apparently the Breen are delusional. The occupation was a regrettable misadventure, that we will agree on, but to compare it to the whole scale slaughter the Breen inflicted upon us is ludicrous. For them to have been comparable in deaths we would have had to have killed every Bajoran on Bajor, twice. Even if you believe every inflated claim made about the occupation the Breen eclipsed the damage and misery within the opening seconds of your betrayal. Your own institutional insanity is plain to see. Crawl back into your hole and stay there. Your absence will only make the galaxy a better place.

[Nickswitz]

No, as stating that we were referring to underdeveloped species that may not have the capability to understand space travel, or interstellar travel. Just as the Federation we wish not to corrupt those who do not currently have the ability for space travel, we too wish this.
As for blaming others, what would you like us to do, lie and say that I as the current Preator did all this, it was in a previous time, and we would like to put credit where credit is due, as you humans so often state.

So you misunderstand what we say, as well as that, those who are responsible for the previous problems have been put on trial, and also have been prosecuted for their crimes, it was in a previous time that these things happened, and since then things have changed a great deal, especially flatter the removal of the Tal Shiar.

[Reliant121]

The putrid decay you sent Bajor spiralling into far outweighs outright destruction. As to our position in the galaxy, I don't know whether to weep or laugh. The Union spouts great words, but you are weak. You are insignificant. You jold on to your space only by the virtue that your greatest neighbour has a propensity for peace and kindness. Had the Klingon's been at your gates, the Union would have been swept aside like dirt under the carpet.

I have offered our empires forgiveness on the matter. We have removed those responsible. What more do you want? Sahvot Gor and Sahvot Pran can be delivered to you for trial under war crimes should you wish. There is no more I can do. Ride your pathetic horse of stubborn vengeful stupidity, and watch as the world passes you by.

[BigJKU316]

We want to keep it so we can safely cross through territory of species that do not have the technology to detect cloaked vessels

This is not consistent with your clarification on the issue and simply distils to a short conversation our overall point. We find it impossible to figure out just what it is that the RSE is doing, who is in charge and who is responsible for its actions. A statement could eaisly have been made that you desire the technology for exploratory purposes.

Though that really makes little sense. Species without he ability to engage in space travel can hardly detect starships travling near their space at high speeds, let alone be a threat that would cause you to need a cloak to travel safely through their space.

As for putting credit where credit is due we would love to do so. But we are at a loss at this point. Why is this regime more legitimate than Shinzon's? Or more legitimate than the regime that attempted an invasion of Vulcan? Or the regime which launched an attack on Klingon civilians on Narendra III?

Was this regime elected by the people? Is that why it should not be tarnished with the same brush as previous leaderhip groups? Because from our perspective what the Federation sees is an empire that transitions its leadership through violence but has always referenced itself as a the successor of the same governing authority with the same treaty rights and responsibilities it had before. What makes this violent seziure of power so different from previous affairs?

We would not and do not argue that the change in elected representatives means no one should hold the Federation to account for our actions. We make mistakes and we own up to them. It is up to others to decide how they will view the actions we take when we error.

We simply ask that the Romulans learn to take the same level of accountability. Your argument would have merit were this regime to have been put in place by the free will of the Romulan people. They could make every argument that actions were taken in their name that they did not support as they have long been oppressed by your government. However yours is simply another in a long line of oppressive authorities installed over the Romulan people. Thus we reject your claim to be distant from the past actions of similar authorites who have all operated under the moniker of the Romulan Star Empire.

[Nickswitz]

We appologize for the misphrasing of this, it was poorly phrased for what we meant. What was meant was we do not wish to disturb those species that do not have interstellar activities who rely on visual ques to recognize ships going through their space. Generally those who do not have any claimed territory.

Also, Shinzon's claim to power was one of violent takeover, he killed the senate in order to take full power, I took power in order to bring order to the Romulan empire as opposed the chaos it was in previously. If it would make you feel better, our senators will be elected from now on. We have no reason not to set up polled elections, we did not directly after Shinzon's regime due to the immediate need to have someone in power to organize the government. Within the next five years we will begin polling to have a fully elected senate.

[stitch626]

Hopefully this message will not get lost in the chatter.

The Ferengi Alliance would like to announce that we have plenty of capital available for loans. We loan to all powers, currently. Our only stipulation is you must provide a clear repayment plan. It may change depending on circumstances, but we must know your ability to repay before we can give out a substantial amount.

We are also willing to provide industrial materials, a total of 50,000KT per year. Or, we are willing to construct ships in our shipyard. This offer will continue for a while, until we need to upgrade our own fleet.

[BigJKU316]

We appologize for the misphrasing of this, it was poorly phrased for what we meant. What was meant was we do not wish to disturb those species that do not have interstellar activities who rely on visual ques to recognize ships going through their space. Generally those who do not have any claimed territory.

Also, Shinzon's claim to power was one of violent takeover, he killed the senate in order to take full power, I took power in order to bring order to the Romulan empire as opposed the chaos it was in previously. If it would make you feel better, our senators will be elected from now on. We have no reason not to set up polled elections, we did not directly after Shinzon's regime due to the immediate need to have someone in power to organize the government. Within the next five years we will begin polling to have a fully elected senate.

We will await such developments and make our own assessment of things if and when such power is given over to the people, however we remain skeptical. We will watch the RSE with great interest over the coming years.

[Nickswitz]

We accept this and will begin the polling process within the next 5 years.

[Mark]

THE THOLIAN ASSEMBLY IS LAYING CLAIM TO SYSTEM 337,339-345, and 350. ATTACK SHIPS WILL BE SENT FORTHWITH.

[BigJKU316]

THE THOLIAN ASSEMBLY IS LAYING CLAIM TO SYSTEM 337,339-345, and 350. ATTACK SHIPS WILL BE SENT FORTHWITH.

The Federation wishes to re-iterate its request that any such colonization in the region involve discussions amongst all the concerned powers. The Federation has not made formal claims in that region despite having a presence there. We have a special relationship with the Jacorn Alliance and would ask that the Tholian Assembly refrain from the colonization of 350 and 343 and allow those systems to go to the Jacorn Alliance. In return the Federation will refrain from pressing a claim on the other systems claimed by the Tholian Assembly.

We offer this in an effort to achieve a peaceful solution for a new power that does not fully understand the politics of the region and hope the Tholians will take up this offer for mediation before this situation gets out of hand. For what its worth we believe their claim on those two systems that most closely border them is much more valid than the claim by either the Federation or Tholians.

We will leave it to the Klingons to potentially dispute many of the other claims as they are the most directly impacted by them but can only assume they will have some sort of response.

[Mark]

THE THOLIAN ASSEMBLY IS NOT INTIMIDATED BY THE VEILED THREATS OF THE FEDERATION. SHOULD THE JACORN ALLIANCE WISH TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE ASSEMBLY REGARDING OUR COLONIZATION PLANS, WE HAVE PROVEN WE ARE QUITE EASY TO WORK WITH. YOUR THREAT TO PRESS A CLAIM IN THOLIAN SPACE IS LITTLE MORE THAN AN ATTEMPT TO STRONGARM OUR GOVERNMENT. SHOULD YOU WISH TO OFFER US SOMETHING IN EXCHANGE FOR OUR CLAIM, SO BE IT. SHOULD YOU WISH TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD BULLY, I SUGGEST YOU CONTINUE TO TRY AND INTIMIDATE THE ROMULANS. WE ARE NOT IMPRESSED.

[Lt. Staplic]

THE THOLIAN ASSEMBLY IS NOT INTIMIDATED BY THE VEILED THREATS OF THE FEDERATION. SHOULD THE JACORN ALLIANCE WISH TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE ASSEMBLY REGARDING OUR COLONIZATION PLANS, WE HAVE PROVEN WE ARE QUITE EASY TO WORK WITH. YOUR THREAT TO PRESS A CLAIM IN THOLIAN SPACE IS LITTLE MORE THAN AN ATTEMPT TO STRONGARM OUR GOVERNMENT. SHOULD YOU WISH TO OFFER US SOMETHING IN EXCHANGE FOR OUR CLAIM, SO BE IT. SHOULD YOU WISH TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD BULLY, I SUGGEST YOU CONTINUE TO TRY AND INTIMIDATE THE ROMULANS. WE ARE NOT IMPRESSED.

We of the Jacorn are unfamiliar with you or your species. We asked Federation assistance in mediating the matter. The fact that your response to such an attempt was hostile does not provide us much hope for entering into such negotiations with you; however, as a civilized alliance we will pursue this, mediated, discussion via private channels.

[BigJKU316]

THE THOLIAN ASSEMBLY IS NOT INTIMIDATED BY THE VEILED THREATS OF THE FEDERATION. SHOULD THE JACORN ALLIANCE WISH TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE ASSEMBLY REGARDING OUR COLONIZATION PLANS, WE HAVE PROVEN WE ARE QUITE EASY TO WORK WITH. YOUR THREAT TO PRESS A CLAIM IN THOLIAN SPACE IS LITTLE MORE THAN AN ATTEMPT TO STRONGARM OUR GOVERNMENT. SHOULD YOU WISH TO OFFER US SOMETHING IN EXCHANGE FOR OUR CLAIM, SO BE IT. SHOULD YOU WISH TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD BULLY, I SUGGEST YOU CONTINUE TO TRY AND INTIMIDATE THE ROMULANS. WE ARE NOT IMPRESSED.

As we stated long ago we are more than willing to discuss the status of all these systems. We feel that with the number of minor powers in the area there should be multi-party talks before such broad claims are made. You clearly disagree with the wisdom of that approach. We stated our willingness to recognize most of the claims made by the Tholian alliance (assuming that the Shelliak and Klingons don't wish to dispute them themselves as is their right) if the assembly would be reasonable about the claims of the Jacorn Alliance.

That you choose to take that as a threat is your problem, not ours. We are attempting to be reasonable in negotiating this situation in a rather more confused region of space than that found coreward.

[Mark]

AS YOU ARE UNFAMILLIAR WITH OUR SPECIES WE WILL CLARIFY. WHAT YOU ARE HEARING IS NOT HOSTILITY. IT IS DEFENSIVNESS. OPENING NEGOTIANS WITH THE THOLIAN ASSEMBLY IS BEST DONE FROM A MORE DIPLOMATIC POSITION, RATHER THAN HAVING A BULLYBOY THREATEN TO INFRINGE ON OUR SPACE UNLESS WE DO AS WE ARE TOLD. THIS HAS BEEN TRIED IN THE PAST BY THE FEDERATION. WE DO NOT RESPOND TO THREATS OR INTIMIDATION.

[Mark]

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BACK OUT OF WHAT YOU SAID. YOUR WORDS WERE CLEARLY A VEILED THREAT. THE THOLIAN ASSEMBLY IS NOT A SUBJECT OF THE FEDERATION AND IS NOT BOUND BY HER "SUGGESTIONS".

SHOULD ANY OTHER POWER WISH TO DISCUSS OUR CLAIMS, THEY MAY DO SO PRIVATELY.