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They sent it in the Post!
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:23 pm
by Enkidu
OK, massive cockup, complete breakdown of commonsense, basic competence, and possibly criminal neglect of data protection laws, but what's got me choking om my coffee is that they SENT IT IN THE POST!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7103566.stm
The post! Unregistered. Unrecorded. Surely every British person knows you don't send anything in our useless, crime ridden post service if you actually care whether it gets there or not.
It boggles the mind.
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:33 pm
by Captain Seafort
Next time could you please a) explain what you're talking about, and b) post the article.
In this case, it's the fact that the British government has managed to loose a couple of CDs carrying the details of everyone in the country being paid child-support benefits. The only slight comfort is at least the CDs in question are password-protected.
Darling admits 25m records lost
The chancellor urged people to monitor their bank accounts
Two computer discs holding the personal details of all families in the UK with a child under 16 have gone missing.
The Child Benefit data on them includes name, address, date of birth, National Insurance number and, where relevant, bank details of 25m people.
Chancellor Alistair Darling said there was no evidence the data had fallen into criminal hands - but urged people to monitor their bank accounts.
The Conservatives described the incident as a "catastrophic" failure.
In an emergency statement to MPs, Mr Darling apologised for what he described as an "extremely serious failure on the part of HMRC to protect sensitive personal data entrusted to it in breach of its own guidelines".
MPs gasped as Mr Darling told them: "The missing information contains details of all Child Benefit recipients: records for 25 million individuals and 7.25 million families. "
The chancellor blamed mistakes by junior officials at HMRC, who he said had ignored security procedures when they sent information to the National Audit Office (NAO) for auditing.
Mr Darling told MPs: "Two password protected discs containing a full copy of HMRC's entire data in relation to the payment of child benefit was sent to the NAO, by HMRC's internal post system operated by the courier TNT.
The package was not recorded or registered. It appears the data has failed to reach the addressee in the NAO."
He added: "The police tell me that they have no reason to believe that this data has found its way into the wrong hands.
"The police are not aware of any evidence that it has been used for fraudulent purposes or criminal activity."
Fraud protection
The HMRC has set up a Child Benefit Helpline on 0845 302 1444 for customers who want more details.
MISSING DATA INCLUDES...
National insurance number
Name, address and birth date
Partner's details
Names, sex and age of children
Bank/savings account details
The data was sent on 18 October and senior management at HMRC were told it was missing on 8 November and the chancellor on 10 November.
Mr Darling said banks were adamant that they wanted as much time to prepare for his announcement as possible.
He added: "If someone is the innocent victim of fraud as a result of this incident, people can be assured they have protection under the Banking Code so they will not suffer any financial loss as a result."
Mr Darling said people should monitor their accounts "for any unusual activity".
He said police were investigating the disappearance of the two discs. He also announced that the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), which monitors HMRC, was likely to investigate the incident.
It is the latest and by far the most serious of a string of missing data incidents at HM Revenue and Customs.
HMRC chairman Paul Gray resigned earlier after the latest incident came to light.
'Get a grip'
Shadow Chancellor George Osborne said: "Let us be clear about the scale of this catastrophic mistake - the names, the addresses and the dates of birth of every child in the country are sitting on two computer discs that are apparently lost in the post, and the bank account details and National Insurance numbers of 10 million parents, guardians and carers have gone missing.
"Half the country will be very anxious about the safety of their family and the security and the whole country will be wondering how on earth the government allowed this to happen."
CHILD BENEFIT
Available to the parents, normally mother, of every child in UK under 16
Older children in full-time education still eligible
Taken up by almost 100%
It amounts to £18.10 a week for a first-born child
For subsequent children - it amounts to £12.10 a week
He urged the government to "get a grip" and said it was the "final blow for the ambitions of this government to create a national ID database" as "they simply can not be trusted with people's personal information".
Liberal Democrat Acting Leader Vince Cable said it was now the Treasury and not the Home Office that was "not fit for purpose".
"Why does HMRC still use CDs for data transmission in this day and age? The ancient museum pieces it is currently using for computing must be replaced.
"After this disaster how can the public possibly have confidence in the vast centralised databases needed for the compulsory ID card scheme.
"Where does the buck stop after this catalogue of disasters?"
'Searching questions'
Giving his reaction, the Information Commissioner, Richard Thomas, said: "This is an extremely serious and disturbing security breach."
Mr Thomas welcomed the Chancellor's announcement of an independent review of the incident by Kieran Poynter of PricewaterhouseCoopers and said he would decide on further action once he has received the report.
"Searching questions need to be answered about systems, procedures and human error inside both HMRC and NAO," said Mr Thomas.
The prime minister's official spokeswoman said Gordon Brown has "full confidence" in Mr Darling. She added that Mr Darling has not offered to resign.
And these numpties think they're competant to manage a national ID database?
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:55 pm
by Enkidu
I did post a link to the article; Anyway, the current version is that they sent with a courier. The story seems to change with every news report I see/read.
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:19 pm
by DarkOmen
Hahaha... wow....
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:10 pm
by Mikey
Wow - have you guys been copying ideas from the Bush administration?
I did see the link, but as you updated, it seems that the discs were sent by inter-office mail. I forgot my British parlance for a second, and briefly wondered why the Chancellor was addressing the issue with Military Police.
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:36 pm
by Eosphoros
I have a few questions. Does the "chancellor" refer to the Chancellor of the Exchequer or the Lord High Chancellor? Is the former the equivalent of a finance minister? Sorry for asking stupid questions; I'm an historian to be - I know who's the Earl Marshal, but I can't make heads or tails of the UK's present system of government. I know you recently introduced a new function in the Lords to replace some of the Lord High Chancellor's functions, but I think he is called the Lord Chairman or Lord Speaker or something. Could this refer to him?
Now that I've cleared that, I second Mikey's question.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:44 pm
by Captain Seafort
Yup - Darling (insert Blackadder reference of coice here
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) is Chancellor of the Exchequor, who runs the Treasury. As for the stupidity in general, while it isn't
quite Bush-level, the Labour party have been demonstrating their incompetence for the last 10 years. Between Tony's Tent, Wembley, the NHS computer system, enormous fuel duties, and about ten thousand other things it's a testament to the incompetence of Tories that they aren't back in power yet.
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:33 am
by Mikey
I guess the British electorate feels, better the devil you know...