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21 Year Old Mexican Police Cheif Run Off

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Young Mexican police chief fired after reportedly fleeing to U.S.
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The AP reports that 21-year-old Marisol Valles has been fired from her post as police chief of the violent town of Praxedis G. Guerrero when she didn't show up for work this morning. She is reportedly seeking asylum in the United States after receiving death threats from drug cartels. She may have difficulty making an asylum case, though, since U.S. immigration officials typically approve such request on the basis of political threats to an applicant's life or well-being, and Mexican drug violence is obviously not state-sanctioned.

Valles was hailed as the bravest woman in Mexico for agreeing to head up the town's police force when no one else applied for the job in October. Warring local drug gangs had beheaded other city officials--but Valles, a criminology student, said she overcame her fear for the good of her community. Valles said she would focus on administrative tasks and community-building, and would not take on the drug cartels.

Even so, she reportedly became the target of a campaign of intimidation. Mexican papers reported Friday that Valles fled the town and was seeking asylum in the United States after receiving death threats, but city officials released a statement claiming Valles was only traveling across the border for a brief stay to get her young son medical attention. They said she would be back on the job by this morning. When she didn't show up, they fired her.

A Chihuahua state human rights official named Gustavo de la Rosa Hickerson told El Pais that Valles received death threats over the phone before fleeing. He said a local government employee accompanied her to the international bridge that crosses into Fort Hancock, Texas on Thursday. Her plan, according to the official, was to seek asylum.

The United States doesn't often deviate from the political criteria for granting asylum. In addition to proving a government-based threat, successful asylum applicants must show that the persecution stems from their race, religion, nationality, political views or membership in a particular social group.

Women officials have not been spared in the country's brutal drug violence. In Bravos, Mexico 28-year-old Érika Gándara was given the chief of police job by her uncle, the mayor, after no one applied. According to a report in the New York Times, she was taken from her home in December by armed gunmen and hasn't been seen since. Hermila García, appointed police chief of Meoqui, was killed in November after only a month on the job.
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Can't really say we couldn't have seen this coming. Running on a platform of not messing with the cartels, just trying to make her community a better place isn't enough. Unless they own you they'll kill you. I did find the claim that the drug violence obviously isn't state sponsored a bit humorous. Who really runs Mexico again?
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Tyyr wrote:I did find the claim that the drug violence obviously isn't state sponsored a bit humorous. Who really runs Mexico again?
Just because they make it impossible for the Mexican government to control the country doesn't make them the state.
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Ok, the state has little to no control over the country. The cartels do and can pretty much do as they please to anyone they want. They girl is asking for asylum and that's granted in cases where a government is going to oppress/kill someone due to political or personal beliefs. In this case the government of Mexico has little to no actual authority. They can say, "No, please, don't kill her," but at the end of the day the group that's actually in power are the ones who are threatening her life and given their history, very likely to carry through on it. The official "government" of Mexico are at best spectators. Half of them are too busy counting their cartel bribes to care and the other half are terrified their heads will wind up on a pike right next to this girl's if they do anything. So this girl has no real legal recourse to avoid being beheaded hence she has to flee the country and seek protection from the US.

While you can get nit-picky about it and say that the official government isn't sanctioning it therefore no asylum the official government can't and won't do anything to stop it either. Since they have no real power and the cartels do I'd give her asylum on the basis that the functional authority of Mexico is looking to turn her skull into a hood ornament.
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Tyyr wrote:The cartels do and can pretty much do as they please to anyone they want. They girl is asking for asylum and that's granted in cases where a government is going to oppress/kill someone due to political or personal beliefs.
None of which applies in her case. The requirement, as the article states, is that "in addition to proving a government-based threat, successful asylum applicants must show that the persecution stems from their race, religion, nationality, political views or membership in a particular social group." In this case there's no government threat, the first three obviously don't apply, political views are out because she explicitly stated that she was steering clear of the cartels, and I doubt being a plod would count as "a particular social group". The rules were, I suspect, written specifically to exclude people like her - those who are (understandably) trying to get into the US because their country has gone to ratshit. Unless you want to set a precedent that would apply to the entire populations of Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, and probably quite a few others, the answer has to be "sorry, no entry".
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Yes, she has stated she was steering clear of the cartels, which is the problem. First, they ran the last chief of police out of town and she became the new one because she actually stepped up instead of letting the cartels have their way. Second, she's steering clear of them. They don't want her to steer clear, they want her either in their pocket or dead. So her personal beliefs, standing up for her community, taking over the job, and not playing ball with the cartels is why she's being targeted to be killed.
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Indeed. None of which fill the criteria the US has laid down as making someone eligible to claim asylum. Yes, it sucks, and I hope she manages to stay put anyway, but simply coming from a country that's gone to ratshit, which is the fundamental reason her life is at risk, simply isn't a good enough reason to claim political asylum.
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Yes the country's gone to ratshit but I think this isn't that clear cut. The "official" government is largely powerless and has been supplanted by the cartels. They might not be drawing up a constitution and setting elections but the cartels have essentially overthrown the existing government. And we do accept asylum petitions from people fleeing revolutions when the incoming guys are very likely to kill you for not being on their side. Yes, we're talking criminal organizations doing it instead of rogue military leaders or ideologically minded zealots but the effect on the country is the same. The old government is gone and the new one is cleaning house. We accept asylum petitions in those cases.
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Except the letter, rather than the de facto situation, is what applies here because we are talking about the application of a policy. You are correct in saying that the cartels effectively run the country; but it would be incorrect to say that the cartels are officially the new government, or even in the process of conducting a junta and becoming the official government. Political asylum wouldn't apply to someone who has run afoul of Casa Nostra in Sicily, and this is no different.
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Tyyr wrote:The "official" government is largely powerless and has been supplanted by the cartels. They might not be drawing up a constitution and setting elections but the cartels have essentially overthrown the existing government.
No, they haven't. They aren't making any laws, nor are they making any effort to exert any meaningful control over the territory they operate in - they're simply eliminating the ability of the government to do so.
Yes, we're talking criminal organizations doing it instead of rogue military leaders or ideologically minded zealots but the effect on the country is the same. The old government is gone and the new one is cleaning house.
Not even close. The Mexican government is still there, and the cartels are making no effort whatsoever to remove it, they're content with simply rendering it impotent.
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She can stay at my house...
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Tsukiyumi wrote:She can stay at my house...
I like your thinking. :happydevil:
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