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Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:23 pm
by Captain Seafort
The Beeb wrote:Amnesty International has urged Saudi authorities to stop any attempt to medically paralyse a man as a judicial punishment.

A Saudi judge is reported to have asked hospitals if it is possible to cut the spinal cord of the man, found guilty of paralysing another man in a fight.

Amnesty said intentionally paralysing someone would constitute torture.

Under Islamic law in Saudi Arabia, retribution sentences can include eye-gouging and, for murder, beheading.

"We urge the Saudi Arabian authorities not to carry out such a punishment, which amounts to nothing less than torture," said Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui, of Amnesty International.

"While those guilty of a crime should be held accountable, intentionally paralysing a man in this way would constitute torture and be a breach of its international human rights obligations."

The UK-based human rights group quoted reports that a court in the north-western town of Tabuk had approached a number of hospitals enquiring about a spinal operation.

The man in question has already been sentenced to seven months' imprisonment for the offence, which happened more than two years ago, Amnesty said.

The brother of the victim told the Associated Press news agency that the injuries had been caused in a fight involving a meat cleaver.

He said his brother, who was left paralysed and later lost a foot, had asked a judge in Tabuk to impose an equivalent punishment on his attacker under Islamic law.

Correspondents say the case highlights attempts by Saudi Arabia to balance religious traditions with a push to modernise the country.
It's inventive - I'll give 'em that. :|

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:29 pm
by Lighthawk
They sure don't fuck around over there.

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:34 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Certainly not a punishment I've heard of before. :|

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:53 pm
by McAvoy
Lighthawk wrote:They sure don't f**k around over there.
No... they don't.

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:02 pm
by Aaron
Jesus, thats a little extreme.

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:35 pm
by Tsukiyumi
I'd like to know more details about the fight, namely which side started it.

Though, even I find this on the extreme side.

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:24 pm
by Lighthawk
Tsukiyumi wrote:I'd like to know more details about the fight, namely which side started it.

Though, even I find this on the extreme side.
Unless the guy not only started the fight but purposely intended to paralyze the victim, this is just too extreme, and even if he meant to do it and is totally unapologetic about doing it, it's still pretty extreme.

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:46 pm
by Tsukiyumi
See, you'll find that I'm pretty liberal about using the death penalty in most cases, so this doesn't seem super extreme to me if he literally started the fight, and then chopped the other guy up with a meat cleaver.

If he was the victim of the attack, I'd say let him go outright.

If he was the aggressor, I'd suggest just putting a few rounds into him.

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:53 pm
by McAvoy
I agree. If the victim's back was broken on purpose then I may agree with the punishment even if a bit extreme. But if his back was broken because of an accident during the fight, I don't.

It would be the equivilant of me getting in a fight with another guy and he trips and breaks his arm. Then my arm would be broken as punishment, even if it were an accident. But if I broke his arm on purpose for the hell of it, well then I deserve to have my arm broken.

Also wonder who started the fight, how it started too.

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:14 am
by Aaron
"Out here, due process is a bullet!"
~John Wayne, The Green Berets

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:31 am
by Deepcrush
Cpl Kendall wrote:"Out here, due process is a bullet!"
~John Wayne, The Green Berets
Long live the Duke.

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:14 am
by Tsukiyumi
McAvoy wrote:I agree. If the victim's back was broken on purpose then I may agree with the punishment even if a bit extreme. But if his back was broken because of an accident during the fight, I don't.

It would be the equivilant of me getting in a fight with another guy and he trips and breaks his arm. Then my arm would be broken as punishment, even if it were an accident. But if I broke his arm on purpose for the hell of it, well then I deserve to have my arm broken.

Also wonder who started the fight, how it started too.
Exactly. If I snapped a guy's arm at the elbow during a fight, that's just a fair part of the fight. If I beat the crap out of him, and then took his arm and broke it, it's a different story.

On the other hand, there are other factors to consider. I'm about 70% disabled, and while an average person wouldn't pose too much of a threat, I'd be forced to use a weapon against anyone with training. If I didn't start the fight, would that still be my fault if I had to stab them?

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:44 am
by Deepcrush
A fist fight is no different then any other battle. You fight and fight to win, worry about the aftermath later.

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:51 am
by Nutso
Such a peaceful religion.

Re: Eye for an eye, spine for a spine

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:12 am
by Tsukiyumi
Deepcrush wrote:A fist fight is no different then any other battle. You fight and fight to win, worry about the aftermath later.
That was my point: against a skilled opponent, I'd have to use whatever weapons were available, up to and including deadly force. I'm not going to end up paralyzed because my opponent didn't have a weapon, and so I didn't use one either.

I'd need a lot more facts in this case to make any decision about whether this fellow was justified in using a weapon or not.