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I suppose it's the obvious question to ask, given that this issue is going to be all we'll be hearing about for the next week or so.

So, you're the guy in charge of preventing the convoy from trying to pass through the blockade around Gaza. What resources would you have tried to get to hold them off, and how would you have done it?

I probably would have done exactly as they did. IDK if shotguns are available to IDF soldiers in that milieu; if so, I would have had riot guns with bean bags instead of paintball guns. When it came to IDF soldiers being attacked, though, all bets are off.

Afterwards, I would have planted a barrel full of anthrax and pallets full of C4 on board.

Mikey wrote:I probably would have done exactly as they did. IDK if shotguns are available to IDF soldiers in that milieu; if so, I would have had riot guns with bean bags instead of paintball guns.

Agreed, although I'd add CS rounds to their load as well.

When it came to IDF soldiers being attacked, though, all bets are off.

I think a combination of CS and baton rounds should have been enough to hold them off if they were just attacking with melee weapons. If they didn't work, however, or if the bolshy characters had ranged weapons, then fair enough - targets will fall when hit.

Captain Seafort wrote:I think a combination of CS and baton rounds should have been enough to hold them off if they were just attacking with melee weapons.

Yes, they should be. My point was that there is no immorality to defending yourself against a knife with a gun.

Where, BTW, has Egypt been? They raised the blockade jointly with Israel, but when it comes to brass tacks they seem to have gone AWOL.

I've been wondering why they didn't pop some tear gas before rappelling down. I'm sure the IDF has gas masks.

Mikey - agreed.

Tsukiyumi wrote:I've been wondering why they didn't pop some tear gas before rappelling down. I'm sure the IDF has gas masks.

Mikey - agreed.

Some of the accounts mentioned them dropping grenades of some type on deck. However tear gas isn't actually all that effective, especially in an open breezy area like the deck of a ship at sea, and gas masks are cumbersome. But there are a variety of non lethal grenades types to have fun with.

I actually support having a couple guys firing paint or, better, pepperballs. Unlike most less than lethal methods these don't occasionally actually kill someone. But that would have only been a guy or two. After that they'd have other things, like baton rounds, Tasers., or XREPs (because they're awsome)



Maybe a water cannon from a neighboring ship if they were rowdy and crowded on deck. And I'd probably give at least some of the soldiers riot armor.

The biggest question I have is whether to go in once they're in international waters, giving them some good footage potentialy and maybe some interferance from locals, or doing with the night raid in international waters. I think to avoid an international incident I'd try and jam 'em going in and than confiscate the video equipment afterwards. It would show militarily valueable information regarding tactics after all.

Well I think Israel is totally out of line for even existing. But beyond that, if I really had to help a nation that I think shouldn't exist, I would say let them land but have troops on the beach to greet them and over see the operation.

Monroe wrote:Well I think Israel is totally out of line for even existing. But beyond that, if I really had to help a nation that I think shouldn't exist, I would say let them land but have troops on the beach to greet them and over see the operation.

FYI while distributing food and meds to the civilians in the area could work, much of their supplies were comprised of things like cement, building materials and generators. Which a likely to wind up being made into a bunker by Hamas anyway.

Well, that and Hamas has a habit of shooting at Israli soldiers or, if they can, kidnapping them. I'd keep guys off the beach as much as possible unless you're looking for an excuse to cut lose with artillary onto whatever residential buildings the fire is generally coming form.

Sunny, what on Earth is that bullet?

Tsukiyumi wrote:I've been wondering why they didn't pop some tear gas before rappelling down. I'm sure the IDF has gas masks.

Dropping tear-gas onto the deck wouldn't do much, I'd imagine - the wind from the helicopter's blades would probably just disperse the gas, and a quick-thinking passenger could simply run up and dump it overboard.

Sionnach Glic wrote:Sunny, what on Earth is that bullet?

Basically, it's a tazer that you shoot out of a shotgun. No wires needed, it takes it's battery with it.

I was wondering about that myself...

Lighthawk wrote:

Sionnach Glic wrote:Sunny, what on Earth is that bullet?

Basically, it's a tazer that you shoot out of a shotgun. No wires needed, it takes it's battery with it.

It's fucking awesome, that's what it is.

Tyyr wrote:

Lighthawk wrote:

Sionnach Glic wrote:Sunny, what on Earth is that bullet?

Basically, it's a tazer that you shoot out of a shotgun. No wires needed, it takes it's battery with it.

It's f***ing awesome, that's what it is.

And that, my bad for the omission, it was late.

Tyyr wrote:

Lighthawk wrote:

Sionnach Glic wrote:Sunny, what on Earth is that bullet?

Basically, it's a tazer that you shoot out of a shotgun. No wires needed, it takes it's battery with it.

It's f***ing awesome, that's what it is.

Damn right it is. I want one.

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Also, on a more general and official note, I know that the whole Israel issue is one that tends to get people angry easily, but let's all try to be civil, okay?