FFS... Westboro Baptiist Craziness again

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FFS... Westboro Baptiist Craziness again

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So, they pickett a dead Marine's funeral, the family sues for invasion of privacy/emotional damage/other issues, and these a$$holes have the gall to overturn the decision and force the family to pay legal fees for the protesters? What happened to respecting the deceased? This is the same group that holds protests and signs saying "God Bless Dead Soldiers" because "God is punishing the United States for the 'sin' of Homosexuality" -- and his punishment is killing our soldiers. These people are an embarrassment to religious Americans and this decision is an embarrassment to our legal system.
Dead Marine's father ordered to pay protesters' legal costs
By Emanuella Grinberg, CNN
March 30, 2010 11:06 p.m. EDT

Westboro Baptist Church members picketed the funeral of Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, who died in Iraq in 2006.


(CNN) -- The father of a Marine whose funeral was picketed by the Westboro Baptist Church says an order to pay the protesters' legal costs in a civil claim is nothing less than a "slap in the face."

"By the court making this decision, they're not only telling me that they're taking their side, but I have to pay them money to do this to more soldiers and their families," said Albert Snyder, whose son, Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, was killed in action in Iraq in 2006.

Members of the fundamentalist church based in Topeka, Kansas, appeared outside Snyder's funeral in 2006 in Westminster, Maryland, carrying signs reading "You're going to hell," "God hates you" and "Thank God for dead soldiers."

Among the teachings of the church, which was founded in 1955 by pastor Fred Phelps, is the belief that God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality" through events such as soldiers' deaths.

Margie Phelps, the daughter of Fred Phelps and the attorney representing the church in its appeals, also said the money that the church receives from Snyder will be used to finance demonstrations. But she also said that the order was a consequence of his decision to sue the church over the demonstration.

"Mr. Snyder and his attorneys have engaged the legal system; there are some rules to that legal engagement," said Phelps, a member of Westboro who says she has participated in more than 150 protests of military funerals.

"They wanted to shut down the picketing so now they're going to finance it," she said.

The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday ordered that Snyder pay more than $16,000 in costs requested by Westboro for copies of motions, briefs and appendices, according to court documents.

In a motion filed in October, Snyder's lawyer, who is representing him for free, asked the court to dismiss the bill of costs, or, alternatively, reduce the 50-cent fee per page or charge Snyder only for copies that were necessary to make their arguments on appeal.

"We objected based upon ability to pay and the fairness of the situation," Sean Summers said.

The mostly pro-forma ruling is the latest chapter in an ongoing legal saga that pits privacy rights of grieving families against the free speech rights of demonstrators, however disturbing and provocative their message.

Snyder's family sued the church and went to trial in 2007 alleging privacy invasion, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy. A jury awarded the family $2.9 million in compensatory damages plus $8 million in punitive damages, which were reduced to $5 million.

Westboro in 2008 appealed the case to the 4th District, which reversed the judgments a year later, siding with the church's claims that its First Amendment rights had been violated.

"The protest was confined to a public area under supervision and regulation of local law enforcement and did not disrupt the church service," the circuit court opinion said. "Although reasonable people may disagree about the appropriateness of the Phelps' protest, this conduct simply does not satisfy the heavy burden required for the tort of intentional infliction of emotional distress under Maryland law."

The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case to address issues of laws designed to protect the "sanctity and dignity of memorial and funeral services" as well as the privacy of family and friends of the deceased.

The justices will be asked to address how far states and private entities such as cemeteries and churches can go to justify picket-free zones and the use of "floating buffers" to silence or restrict speech or movements of demonstrators exercising their constitutional rights in a funeral setting.

Both Phelps and Snyder's attorney said they were surprised that the 4th District chose to weigh in on the issue of legal costs when they could have waited until after the Supreme Court hearing.

Phelps believes the ruling bodes well for her side.

"It is a good harbinger of the fact that the Supreme Court will remind this nation that you don't have mob rule. The fact that so many people hate these words does not mean you can silence or penalize them. That's supposed to be the great liberty that we congratulate ourselves on protecting in this nation. We strut all around the world forcing people to give all the liberties we supposedly have," she said.

Phelps anticipated that a Supreme Court ruling in the church's favor would be unpopular, but she said Westboro's members viewed the potential outcome in Biblical terms.

"When the Supreme Court unanimously upholds the 4th Circuit, it's going to put this country in a rage, and we will be expelled," she said. "But whenever it was time for an epic event in the Bible, the thing that happened right before is the prophets were removed from the land, and that's what's going to happen to us. ... We're going to sprint to the end of this race."

Snyder claims he is unable to pay any legal costs in the case and is attempting to raise funds on his son's site, http://www.matthewsnyder.org/. He is equally optimistic that he will prevail before the Supreme Court.

"The American people keep my spirits lifted a lot and give me hope. I think most of the country is on my side on this issue," he said. "Too many people have died to protect our rights and freedoms to have them degraded and spit upon like this church does.
My favorite part?
"It is a good harbinger of the fact that the Supreme Court will remind this nation that you don't have mob rule. The fact that so many people hate these words does not mean you can silence or penalize them. That's supposed to be the great liberty that we congratulate ourselves on protecting in this nation. We strut all around the world forcing people to give all the liberties we supposedly have," she said.
-- says a member of that same mob. :bangwall:
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That's just f*cking disgusting.
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Kill the mob, kill the judge... done.
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Deepcrush wrote:Kill the mob, kill the judge... done.
Well, you saved me the trouble of saying it...

Thanks. :happydevil:
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Oh, these loony assholes again. I'm not surprised that someone tried to finally sue them, but what I am surprised about is that a judge agreed with them.

So, who votes we turn Westboro Baptist Church into the military's newest nuclear warhead testing ground?
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Yay for freedom of speech I guess. :roll:
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Ah, the comfort of living in a country with hate speach laws. :lol:
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I don't see how this falls under the auspices of freedom of speech. A funeral is a private event, no matter how much the street outside the church or parlor may be public property. I'd be interested to see if these a**holes had proper permits in place for their assembly.

BTW, they had their signs wrong. They should have read, "G-d hates people like us."
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Sionnach Glic wrote:Ah, the comfort of living in a country with hate speach laws. :lol:
Yeah, their barred from entry into Canada.
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Mikey wrote:I don't see how this falls under the auspices of freedom of speech. A funeral is a private event, no matter how much the street outside the church or parlor may be public property. I'd be interested to see if these a**holes had proper permits in place for their assembly.
From what I've heard, they consist of about half a dozen people with signs. Do they really need a permit to stand on a public street and wave them around? I think they're just exploiting some sort of hole in the law.
Mikey wrote:BTW, they had their signs wrong. They should have read, "G-d hates people like us."
I find Voltaire's God Thinks very appropriate for these types of people.

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God thinks all people like you are an embarresment to creation.
Self-righteous, judgemental, first to throw the stone,
and you're using His name for your own agenda.
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Sionnach Glic wrote:Ah, the comfort of living in a country with hate speach laws. :lol:
Yeah, their barred from entry into Canada.
I think he's been banned from quite a few countries. IIRC he was kicked out of Denmark for threatening their king.
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Freedom of Speech is over run. Its the right to speak your beliefs in a public event so long as you do not violate the rights of others in the process.

Clearly, the rights of the soldier's family were violated. Plus I believe in executions via sharks with fricken lazer beams on their heads.
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Sionnach Glic wrote:From what I've heard, they consist of about half a dozen people with signs. Do they really need a permit to stand on a public street and wave them around? I think they're just exploiting some sort of hole in the law.
TBH, I believe it's dependent on the bylaws of the municipality. However, there's nothing to prevent a cop from taking a dive then shutting them down for assembling in a less-than-peaceable manner.
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This pisses me off so much. Sad thing is our Supreme Court is so corrupted and broken they will probably side with the church.
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...remember last year when WBC was literally cripped by a 5 million dollar law suit? God damn it, who is this judge?
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SuperSaiyaMan12 wrote:...remember last year when WBC was literally cripped by a 5 million dollar law suit?
What, you mean this one?:
the original post wrote:Snyder's family sued the church and went to trial in 2007 alleging privacy invasion, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy. A jury awarded the family $2.9 million in compensatory damages plus $8 million in punitive damages, which were reduced to $5 million.

Westboro in 2008 appealed the case to the 4th District, which reversed the judgments a year later, siding with the church's claims that its First Amendment rights had been violated.
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