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Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:31 am
by Sonic Glitch
Skinny pants now banned in Mesquite Independant School District... As they are "disruptive to learning"

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Odds of wearing skinny pants in Mesquite ISD: slim to none

11:27 AM CST on Thursday, November 19, 2009
By KAREL HOLLOWAY / The Dallas Morning News
kholloway@dallasnews.com
Move over, baggy pants. Saggy pants? Old news.

"Skinny pants" are the newest rage, and at least one area school district is aiming to keep them off school campuses.

Seth Chamlee, a student at Kimbrough Middle School in Mesquite, found that out the hard way on Tuesday. School administrators gave him a choice: Go home, or trade his skin-tight skinny pants for slacks provided by the school.

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He went home. And he's going to stay there.

"We're going to home schooling," the boy's mother, Cindy Pope, said Wednesday. "He can learn more without the distraction of what to wear."

As the fashion trend grows, more and more students are showing up wearing skinny pants in schools. Administrators in several area school districts say they're not a major problem as long as they are not deemed to be immodest or disruptive.

But in the Mesquite school district, the pants are banned outright. The district, which boasts one of North Texas' most conservative dress codes, only this year granted female teachers per mission to wear open-toed shoes and male teachers the right to sport facial hair.

"We don't allow striped shirts or check shirts," said Laura Jobe, a district spokeswoman. "There are certain types of clothes that are not acceptable dress style."

Tight and tapered
Skinny pants are tapered so they fit the legs, the opposite of bellbottoms. They came on the fashion scene about five years ago, as a uniform for models and their rocker boyfriends.

Now, skinnies, stovepipes and jeggings - jeans so tight they resemble leggings - have become a wardrobe staple, available from the walnut shelves of Barneys New York to the plastic hangers of Walmart.

Seth, a seventh-grader, wore a pair of black skinny pants with a dark belt to class Tuesday morning. As first period started, he was quickly sent to the office, his mother said.

Jobe said administrators determined Seth's pants were too tight and low-cut, and that his appearance was disruptive when he sat down, all of which is against school policy.

Pope said her son couldn't have disrupted the class with his appearance because he never made it there. Ian Halperin, another schools district spokesman, said he did not know whether the boy had gone to class but that he was observed sitting in the office.

The district's standardized dress policy calls for solid polo-style shirts, turtlenecks or dress shirts and Docker-style pants but no jeans. Pants must fit at the waist, and belts must be worn. And clothes must be "appropriately sized," according to the policy, not too big, not too small.

Jobe said Kimbrough students had been explicitly told that skinny pants did not meet the code. But she didn't know whether parents had been told as well.

Pope said she didn't know the pants were banned. She said she had seen other students wearing similar slacks to the school.

She said Seth has had some minor run-ins with school administrators before about the length of his hair. It was a little too long, touching his eyebrows or longer than his ears on the sides. "He's not a behavioral problem," she said.

After being featured on a television news report, Seth was deeply embarrassed by the attention, Pope said. He wouldn't talk about the incident.

'District culture'
The Mesquite school district has had a history of conservative dress. In the 1960s and 1970s, district officials battled students over hair length, once sending a 10-year-old boy home because his hair reached his shirt collar.

In 1970, the district laid down firm rules against dress and behavior deemed to be disruptive. It was among the first in the area to adopt a dress standard.

"It's just a part of our district culture," Jobe said. "It's a belief that employees and students should dress in a certain way. We call it the business of school."

The state grants authority to districts to set their own dress codes, which means standards can vary from district to district and even campus to campus. Dress codes have been a touchy subject for years, said Barbara Williams with the Texas Association of School Boards.

While there are no firm statistics, dress codes haven't been as controversial in recent years as districts deal with finance problems.

Many area districts don't prohibit tight pants for girls or boys, though a few dress codes address two other recent fads, saggy and baggy pants.

Reavis Wortham, a Garland school district spokesman, said baggy pants have been popular, but "I've seen principals tell [students] to pull them up and they pull them up."

Wortham and officials in other districts, including Dallas, Richardson, Plano and Allen, said skinny pants have not been a problem.

In the Irving and Carrollton-Farmers Branch school districts, the student codes of conduct are written in a broad manner that prohibit outfits deemed as immodest or disruptive, no matter what fashion wave gives rise to them.

Officials said principals could deem extremely tight pants or skinny jeans in violation of their respective code's provisions on modesty.

"If they're just really worn so tight, they would be considered to be immodest," said Lane Ladewig, Irving's campus operations director.

In Mesquite, Jobe said that although district officials don't necessarily have a problem with skinny pants outside of class, they're not appropriate for school.

Pope disagreed. On Tuesday, she told a local TV station she was going to appeal the district's decision. But a day later, she said she decided to pull Seth out of school instead.

"To not be getting your education because of pants I don't want him to learn that," she said.


Staff writers Brandon Formby, Matthew Haag, Tawnell D. Hobbs, Sam Hodges, Wendy Hundley, Jason Sheeler and Jeffrey Weiss contributed to this report.


SCHOOL DRESS POLICIES While the Mesquite district does not allow so-called "skinny pants," many districts do. Here's a sampling of dress code excerpts from various school districts:


Dallas ISD

"Blue jeans, low-cut pants, low-rise pants, sagging slacks or pants, sweat pants ... shall not be worn at school. Students may not wear clothing that is either revealing or provocative."

Frisco ISD

"No sagging pants or shorts will be permitted."

Garland ISD

"Any disruptive or distractive mode of clothing or appearance that adversely impacts the educational process is not acceptable."

Irving ISD

"Appropriate school attire will be worn at all times during school hours and at school-sponsored events. ... Pants, shorts, culottes, etc. must be secured around/about the waist ... pants and shorts must have a zipper or button fly."

Plano ISD

"Students' dress and grooming are expected to be in keeping with accepted community standards. ... No sagging pants or shorts."

Richardson ISD

"All students should dress and be groomed in a neat and appropriate manner that will not interfere with or disrupt normal school operations and the rights of others."

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:20 am
by Nickswitz
Is this just for guys, or for girls too, because girls wear them for comfort because of, well, their body shape it holds up better than baggy jeans. It's not like they want their butt to look big...

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:46 pm
by Vic
And here I thought it was a "Hunt for Red October" reference! :(

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:21 pm
by Angharrad
Nickswitz wrote:Is this just for guys, or for girls too, because girls wear them for comfort because of, well, their body shape it holds up better than baggy jeans. It's not like they want their butt to look big...
Q. Does my butt look big in these jeans?
A. Its not the jeans.
:poke:

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:25 pm
by Tyyr
And another young man is saved from looking like a douche.

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:15 pm
by Mikey
I agree personally with a ban on those pants worldwide, from a purely aesthetic perspective. But come on - banning them wholesale without even the proviso of banning them if immodest or disruptive? I know parochial schools that aren't as mired in the dark ages. Yes, I understand that this is in the home of "The American Way is my way, and I'll teach it to you at gunpoint" - but come on. This, I thought, was telling:
only this year granted female teachers per mission(sic) to wear open-toed shoes and male teachers the right to sport facial hair.
Give it up, Big D. My daughter's school district had issues with some thoughts on a dress code. They solved them all by going to a uniform. And yes, it is a public school. Now, there's no fights about what to wear, and - more importantly in that district - poor kids don't have to go to school with the (yet another) cross to bear of worrying about being a pariah because of their wardrobe.

In other words... if you want to institute a uniform, then do so. If you want to allow the kids to wear "street clothes," then do so.

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:19 pm
by stitch626
Odds of wearing skinny pants in Mesquite ISD: slim to none
For a second I thought this was a Star Wars thread... :(


AS for the pants... eh I don't care either way. I never wear fashions.

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:13 pm
by Sionnach Glic
I think those trousers look awful, but I don't see the problem with them.

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:02 pm
by Sonic Glitch
Vic wrote:And here I thought it was a "Hunt for Red October" reference! :(
That's what I was going for. The thread title is in fact a "Hunt for Red October" reference. I thought it would grab peoples attention. :happydevil:

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:03 pm
by IanKennedy
Have these people nothing better to do. They don't want people wearing perfectly ordinary pants. If you read it they don't like stripped or checked shirts either! It's moronic, I can't see what business it is of theirs so long as they're decently dressed, as in covering the parts the law says have to be covered. Anything else is simply fashion.

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:16 pm
by Tsukiyumi
stitch626 wrote:
Odds of wearing skinny pants in Mesquite ISD: slim to none
For a second I thought this was a Star Wars thread...
ISD means Independent School District. As in, it's not a state-run system, but is its own separate entity. Which is why they can make up all sorts of wacky rules. When I was in 8th grade, my school banned wearing flannel shirts tied around your waist. :roll:

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:00 pm
by IanKennedy
Tsukiyumi wrote:
stitch626 wrote:
Odds of wearing skinny pants in Mesquite ISD: slim to none
For a second I thought this was a Star Wars thread...
ISD means Independent School District. As in, it's not a state-run system, but is its own separate entity. Which is why they can make up all sorts of wacky rules. When I was in 8th grade, my school banned wearing flannel shirts tied around your waist. :roll:
Why?

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:48 pm
by Tsukiyumi
They claimed it was gang-related, when in fact, it just gets cold here in the winter, and they had the heater in the school cranked up to 85. :bangwall:

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:31 pm
by Deepcrush
Vic wrote:And here I thought it was a "Hunt for Red October" reference! :(
Thats what I thought when I saw the thread.

Re: Way to go Dallas!

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:02 pm
by Mikey
Tsukiyumi wrote:They claimed it was gang-related, when in fact, it just gets cold here in the winter, and they had the heater in the school cranked up to 85. :bangwall:
I could almost understand that one. When my wife had her volunteer position as a police auxiliary, one of her training sessions involved decoding the colors on flannel shirts.