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Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:05 pm
by Tyyr
1 hr 21 mins ago
WASHINGTON - Former Vice President Dick Cheney believes his old boss, President George W. Bush, gradually turned away from his advice during their second term in the White House, showing a surprising independence as he started taking more flexible positions on a range of issues, The Washington Post reported Wednesday.
Cheney, often described as the most influential vice president in U.S. history, has been discussing his years in office in informal talks with authors, diplomats, policy experts and past colleagues, the Post said, as he works on a memoir due out in 2011 from Simon & Schuster's Threshold Editions.
Robert Barnett, who negotiated Cheney's book contract, passed word to potential publishers that the memoir would be packed with news, said the article published on the Post Web site, and Cheney himself has said, without explanation, that "the statute of limitations has expired" on many of his secrets.
The book will cover Cheney's long career from chief of staff under President Gerald Ford to vice president under Bush.
"When the president made decisions that I didn't agree with, I still supported him and didn't go out and undercut him," Cheney said, according to Stephen Hayes, his authorized biographer. "Now we're talking about after we've left office. I have strong feelings about what happened. ... And I don't have any reason not to forthrightly express those views."
According to the author of the Post piece, Barton Gellman, who earlier wrote a book on Cheney called "Angler," the former vice president believes Bush made concessions to public sentiment, something Cheney views as moral weakness. After years of praising Bush as a man of resolve, Cheney now intimates that the former president turned out to be more like an ordinary politician in the end, Gellman says.
"In the second term, he felt Bush was moving away from him," Gellman quoted a participant in the recent gathering, describing Cheney's reply. "He said Bush was shackled by the public reaction and the criticism he took. Bush was more malleable to that. The implication was that Bush had gone soft on him, or rather Bush had hardened against Cheney's advice. He'd showed an independence that Cheney didn't see coming."
The Post quoted John P. Hannah, Cheney's second-term national security adviser, as saying Cheney remains driven, now as before, by the possibility of terrorists obtaining nuclear weapons from a nation hostile to the U.S.
What is new, Hannah said, is Cheney's readiness to acknowledge "doubts about the main channels of American policy during the last few years," a period encompassing most of Bush's second term.
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I think Cheney forgot he was the Vice President, not the puppet master.
Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:47 pm
by Lt. Staplic
If I didn't know any better, I'd say he was trying to distance himself from Bush so he can run in 2012
Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:59 pm
by Sionnach Glic
No surprise there. He probably wants to try and distance himself from Bush as much as possible.
Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:01 pm
by Tyyr
Except that Cheney is the wingnut and everyone knows it. Distancing himself from Bush makes Bush look better, not vice versa.
Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:28 pm
by Mikey
I wouldn't bet on Cheney surviving to 2012. In any event, if the GOP doesn't do something to distance themselves from the Cheneys of the world, they'll be farcical enough to not be a factor by then.
Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:54 pm
by Tyyr
No one would be crazy enough to actually put Cheney up. I don't even think Cheney is that nuts.
Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:07 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Tyyr wrote:Except that Cheney is the wingnut and everyone knows it. Distancing himself from Bush makes Bush look better, not vice versa.
You're assuming that Cheney himself knows that everyone knows he's the wingnut.
Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:11 pm
by Tyyr
Even if he's sure he's right he has to know that in the popularity contest that is politics he's a losing bet.
Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:13 pm
by Mikey
You'd think the GOP would have figured that out with Steele, too.
Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:22 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Tyyr wrote:Even if he's sure he's right he has to know that in the popularity contest that is politics he's a losing bet.
He's probably hoping to appeal to the far-right. He still probably has support there.
Remember, 18% of the US still thinks Bush did a good job.
And, of course, there's
this.
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Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:05 pm
by Monroe
I thought this was funny:
Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
1 hr 21 mins ago
I think its pretty right on the mark. Especially the year. Bush seemed to realize he'll go down in history as the worse president ever and made some changes in his outlook towards opposing viewpoints. Such as allowing Obama to begin almost before his presidency began. Which Bush didn't have to do.
Re: Bush Stopped Listening to Cheney
Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:46 pm
by Captain Seafort
Monroe wrote:I think its pretty right on the mark. Especially the year. Bush seemed to realize he'll go down in history as the worse president ever and made some changes in his outlook towards opposing viewpoints. Such as allowing Obama to begin almost before his presidency began. Which Bush didn't have to do.
It began a long time before that. Bush certainly wasn't the sharpest knife in the draw, but neither was he guilty of anything but being an exceptionally poor judge of character. Ultimately, once he figured out that Iraq wasn't going swimmingly appointed the best COIN commander since Gerald Templer - Petreaus.