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Its kind of interesting to see the political match up to turn the US Green. You have intellectuals and people with common sense on one side-- maybe a few PETA crazy types, and on the other you have Bachman, Palin, gay senators, and a fat elephant.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090628/ap_ ... e_analysis

Basically the new environment plan passed the House barely and now is moving on to the Senate.

Yay, lets kick the economy in the balls for no good reason.

Tyyr wrote:Yay, lets kick the economy in the balls for no good reason.

No kidding. And we have Tennessee's finest, Al Gore, leading the charge. Gezze that guy has the IQ of room temperature.

Tyyr wrote:Yay, lets kick the economy in the balls for no good reason.

Well its got to be done. We're behind the rest of the world. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to sell American cars to foreign nations?

Way behind the world? In what? Running full speed off the cliff? Committing economic hari-kari at the altar of a poorly understood concept? Yes, lets jump way out in front of that movement.

Tyyr wrote:Way behind the world? In what? Running full speed off the cliff? Committing economic hari-kari at the altar of a poorly understood concept? Yes, lets jump way out in front of that movement.

What's so misunderstood about it? Most scientists are in agreement. That's good enough for me.

Most scientists were also once in agreement that the world was flat, everything orbited the Earth, and the atom could not be split. So yeah, not a ringing endorsement in my ears. I like facts and proven theories. Right now even how much the Earth is heating up is in dispute, forget what the actual cause is.

I just find it funny that people blame so much lung cancer on smoking while we blast millions of tons of coal particulates into the air every year. Yeah, I'm sure that has nothing at all to do with it.

Tyyr wrote:Most scientists were also once in agreement that the world was flat, everything orbited the Earth, and the atom could not be split. So yeah, not a ringing endorsement in my ears. I like facts and proven theories. Right now even how much the Earth is heating up is in dispute, forget what the actual cause is.

I wouldn't call the people who said the Earth was flat actual scientists

Still though, I would trust thousands of scientists over the few that disagree and the Republican Party. Not to mention it should create new jobs not lose them.

More than a few disagree. Of course that's not exactly the viewpoint that draws much attention, funding, popularity.

Regardless, forget that. Please point out the actual proof that man is the cause of the planet warming.

As for the economy. What do you think is going to happen when energy prices start to rise tremendously? Everyone is going to get to deal with a brand new tax that will come at them from every direction. You won't be getting anything extra, just paying more for what you're getting now. That's not how you help an economy.

Tyyr wrote:...Please point out the actual proof that man is the cause of the planet warming...

Personally, I don't care whether we're the cause or not. It's too damn hot here already.

*Shrug* The Earth has been significantly hotter, significantly colder, hell in a historical sense we're in a rather temperate period. The climate is always either warming or cooling. There's no such thing as a static system like this.

I could go for an ice age, personally.

Well, technically we're overdue for one.

I have viewed both sides of the debate, and have found that there is a ton of evidence in climotogical records that the earth is indeed warming. While some are uncertian wether or not is has been cuased by man the fact is we ain't helping the matters with our practices. The US is FAR behind other nations, and before some say it will further hurt the economy let look at the EU and nations with stronger Enviro polices (like Japan), There economies for the most part are far stronger than ours (The Japanese yen has been stronger than the US dollar for a while, only occasonally does the dollar top it.) Japan has very strict envriomental polices (such as you can only set out certian types of trash on certian days) and has a very very well developed recycling program. Yeah you might get higher taxes but you also can make a few jobs which puts more people to work, which puts more money out there to be circulated, which if I'm not mistaken is good for the Economy.