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Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:26 am
by Sionnach Glic
Ominous ad shows GOP still thinks security a winning issue

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- House Republican leader John Boehner released a lengthy Web video Thursday suggesting Democrats are not keeping Americans safe -- part of what GOP sources tell CNN is a renewed political effort to push a historically winning issue for Republicans: national security.

"We're quite happy to be talking about national security," said a House GOP leadership aide who requested anonymity to speak freely about internal strategy.

The aide insisted that Republicans have substantive, serious policy differences with President Obama on national security, especially with regard to his approach to dealing with detained terror suspects.

But the aide also conceded Republicans believe those differences have a political upside for them.

"It's an issue that traditionally plays well for us," said the aide. "From a political perspective, it will be beneficial over the long run."

The campaign-style video, created by a Boehner aide in his Capitol office, begins with the question, "What are Democrats doing to keep America safe?"

Then, with ominous music in the background, it splices sound bites from news reports and Republicans talking about the dangers of President Obama's decision to close Guantanamo Bay and to release Bush-era memos about harsh interrogation techniques.

The video's climax races through images of Obama hugging the Saudi king, shaking hands with Venezuela's Hugo Chavez and ends with an image of the Pentagon burning on September 11, 2001, followed by a final question: "Do you feel safer?" Watch the ad

Boehner spokeswoman Antonia Ferrier defended using the 9/11 image.

"The events of September 11 happened. Pretending they didn't won't make America any safer. And ignoring the fact that it happened is even worse," Ferrier said.

When asked by CNN why he released what some will view as an alarmist video, Boehner said he is trying to "push the administration to tell us: What is the overarching strategy to take on the terrorists and defeat them and to help keep America safe?" Watch Boehner press Obama on security »

Democrats said such "politics of fear" are scaring voters away from the GOP.

"Is it any wonder that voters and senators alike are running away in droves from the Republican Party? Looks like they have taken a page from the discredited Rove/Bush/Cheney playbook. This ad is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to play up the politics of fear and smear," said Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer's spokeswoman, Katie Grant, said, "Republicans are once again resorting to fear tactics because they have no new ideas or constructive policies to offer. The American people have already rejected their politics of fear, and this will be no different."

A GOP source said the idea for the video was born out of strategy sessions among Boehner, his staff, and other Republican leaders about the fact that they believe Obama is increasingly politically vulnerable on the issue of terrorism.

That view is shared by Republicans in the Senate.

"This is one of those cases where good policy makes good politics," said a Senate GOP leadership aide, in describing their decision to pound away at Obama for saying he'll close the Guantanamo Bay prison.

In fact, GOP Senate leader Mitch McConnell made a rare appearance at a Senate appropriations hearing Thursday to publicly question Defense Secretary Robert Gates about closing Guantanamo Bay.

McConnell chastised Gates about the fact that Obama announced his decision to shut the prison before making alternative plans for the prisoners there.

"We haven't been attacked against since 9/11. We like that and we'd like for that record to continue," McConnell told Gates. Watch more of McConnell's and Gates' exchange »

President Bush won re-election in 2004 after warning voters that his Democratic opponent, John Kerry, would make them less safe.

In 2008, GOP candidate Sen. John McCain tried to label Obama an inexperienced leader whose policies on Iraq and other global hot spots would jeopardize America's security.

But that stopped resonating as the ailing economy took over as voters' most important priority.

Thursday, economic troubles loomed larger than ever, and a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll earlier in April suggested Americans do not agree with Republicans that Obama is making them less safe.

When asked whether the president's actions increased chances of a terrorist attack in the United States, 26 percent said yes and 72 percent said no.

Republicans insisted national security will return to the forefront if they continue to highlight what they call the dangers and unanswered questions about Obama policies.
So....same stuff they've been raving about for the last 8 years, eh? Seriously guys, get some new material. This is getting old.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 12:34 pm
by Tyyr
No, they're running out of balls.

Ugh, great. What the democrats were doing 4 years ago, thrashing about madly looking for anything to latch onto, the Repulicans are now doing. Wonderful. You want to discussion national security, have a substantive debate and win because you're right not because you're the fear monger. This is just weak.

Flashing images of 9/11? Yeah it happened. Yeah it was bad. Yeah we don't want it to happen again. But flashing images like that isn't the way to generate real discussion on the subject of terrorism, it's just hoping to whip up the masses in a mindless frenzy.

Guantanamo Bay? Ugh. Frankly it needed to go. It was a big black eye for the US. If they're common criminals then have them tried in court. If they're enemy combatants (they're not, terrorists are criminals. They don't need to be legitimized by calling them enemy combatants) treat them as such. Don't just hold them somewhere specifically like that so that you can dodge the law.

This is disgusting. Treat the US people like they're half way intelligent people. Instead of making this crap actually start debating the issues. If the White House turns a deaf ear and the democrats continue to try and shove their agenda through without any debate call them on it. This is the political equivalent of a kid making himself cry to his mommy trying to get sympathy.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:54 pm
by Mikey
How are they bringing up GITMO as a security issue? Does anyone actually find out the facts before talking anymore? Yes, Obama's closing GITMO; however, it has already been stated that those prisoners deemed too dangerous to release will still be held within the Federal system. Closing Guantanamo isn't a step aimed at security - it's merely a step aimed at Guantanamo Bay itself.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:40 pm
by Sionnach Glic
It seems mostly to be a PR decision. People in foreign countries and America itself will see it being closed, and say "good, Obama's kicking ass like he should be" and raise their opinions of the US again.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:56 pm
by Mikey
That's partially true - not just for appearances. GITMO was a blight on our international image, to be sure, but it also really was run at less-than-optimum performance. However, to say "closing GITMO = lax on security" is just completely ignoring the facts.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:26 pm
by Aaron
The problem with Gitmo isn't Gitmo itself (thats actually a minor quibble) but rather the fact that they'd been held without trial and on evidence obtained by less then acceptable means or even no evidence at all. If Gitmo had just been a holding facility while they ran trials, I doubt there would have been that many objections.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:32 pm
by Tsukiyumi
Cpl Kendall wrote:The problem with Gitmo isn't Gitmo itself (thats actually a minor quibble) but rather the fact that they'd been held without trial and on evidence obtained by less then acceptable means or even no evidence at all. If Gitmo had just been a holding facility while they ran trials, I doubt there would have been that many objections.
I agree 100% with this.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:34 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Ditto. It was the injustice of the place that brought it down.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:40 pm
by Aaron
And that won't go away after they move them. Sure some of the less intelligent protesters will clam up but it's not going to stop various governments from slamming them.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:42 pm
by Tyyr
I agree as well.

What's the point of holding these guys there? After six months to a year they'll have already coughed up any intel they were going to give you and after that anything they give you is likely out of date anyways. If you've got evidence against them put the bastards on trial.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:47 pm
by Aaron
Tyyr wrote:I agree as well.

What's the point of holding these guys there? After six months to a year they'll have already coughed up any intel they were going to give you and after that anything they give you is likely out of date anyways. If you've got evidence against them put the bastards on trial.
I think they backed themselves into a corner, if the intel is obtained by illegal means then they can't put them on trial and hope to win. Which means that they would have to be released. Now you run into the problem of where they can be released, they had a problem finding a country for six (IIRC Algeria took them). If you release them in the US the back lash is going to be epic...

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:55 pm
by Tyyr
There's sort of a third option. Depending on just how cold a bastard you want to be.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:55 pm
by Aaron
Tyyr wrote:There's sort of a third option. Depending on just how cold a b*****d you want to be.
Yeah there is but the US already has enough PR problems as it is.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:58 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Yeah, shooting prisoners because it's convinient would put the US up there with the UAE in terms of morality. That's not territory you want to stray into. Because if you do choose that route, then there'll be a very angry planet that'll be waiting to exact some vengence when the US falls from its position of power. Not a position you really want to be in.

Re: Republicans are running out of ideas

Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 5:12 pm
by Tyyr
Just saying, there are options. I didn't exactly mean gun them down in front of the prison.

Getting off topic though.

Suffice it to say that closing Gitmo and doing something with the prisoners, either by putting them on trail or releasing those without sufficient evidence. Regardless, just leaving them there in some vague legal limbo was one of the really bad ideas of the Bush administration.