If the French and English can do it...

[Mikey]

we can too!

Without anybody else's help, BTW. I can't even imagine how something like this could happen with modern sensory and navigation equipment - among units of the same navy who supposedly know the deployment of all the other ships, to boot.

[Lt. Staplic]

put up another point for incompetence.

[Mark]

I thought this thread was referring to nude beaches.


To ships have collision insurance of a sort, I wonder?

[Teaos]

So... that Captains fired.

[Captain Seafort]

Which one? Still, national stereotypes seem to be upheld, more or less.

[Foxfyre]

From Commander, U.S. 5th Fleet Public Affairs

MANAMA, Bahrain - A U.S. Navy submarine and U.S. amphibious ship collided in the Strait of Hormuz early Friday morning, March 20, 2009.

The collision between USS Hartford (SSN 768) and USS New Orleans (LPD 18) occurred at approximately 1:00 a.m. local time (5:00 p.m. EDT, March 19).

Fifteen sailors aboard the Hartford were slightly injured and returned to duty. No personnel aboard New Orleans were injured.

Overall damage to both ships is being evaluated. The propulsion plant of the submarine was unaffected by this collision. New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, which resulted in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons of diesel fuel marine. Both ships are currently operating under their own power.

The incident is currently under investigation.

Both the submarine and the ship are currently on regularly scheduled deployments to the U.S. Navy Central Command area of responsibility conducting Maritime Security Operations (MSO).

MSO set the conditions for security and stability in the maritime environment as well as complement the counter-terrorism and security efforts of regional nations. MSO deny international terrorists use of the maritime environment as a venue for attack or to transport personnel, weapons, or other material.

Here you all go most liekly the Sub is at fault

http://www.cusnc.navy.mil/articles/2009/046.html

The USS Hartford, a nuclear-powered attack submarine named after Connecticut's capital city, was damaged during an early-morning collision with another U.S. naval vessel in the narrow Strait of Hormuz between Iran and the Arabian peninsula, the Navy reported.

The Navy said the incident, involving the amphibious ship USS New Orleans, occurred Thursday at about 1 a.m. local time, or 5 p.m Eastern Standard Time. Fifteen sailors aboard the Hartford were slightly injured but able to return to duty, the Navy said. No injuries were reported aboard the New Orleans.

There was no damage to the Hartford's atomic propulsion system. The Navy said the New Orleans, designed to land U.S. Marine Corps forces, experienced a ruptured fuel tank, resulting in a diesel fuel spill of 25,000 gallons.

The Navy said that after the collision, both ships were operating under their own power and were headed to undisclosed locations for repair and evaluation.



Both ships were heading to port and moving in the same direction when the collision occurred in one of the world's busiest and most dangerous shipping lanes. The Navy said the Hartford was submerged at the time, but it is withholding further detail pending investigation.

Both ships were involved in regularly scheduled deployments to the region and were conducting security operations, the Navy said. The Navy does not detail ship deployments for security reasons, but in the past submarines transiting the Strait have typically been involved in protecting naval fleet operations, protecting commercial shipping and supporting U.S. troops in Iraq and elsewhere.

The Strait of Hormuz is in a heavily traveled choke point 34 miles across at its narrowest connecting the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. About 40 percent of globally traded oil leaves the Gulf region through the Strait, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. One of U.S. Central Command's key missions in the Gulf region is to ensure the free flow of oil and energy supplies.

The USS Hartford is an attack submarine of the Los Angeles class whose keel was laid by in Groton in February 1992 by the Electric Boat Division of General Dynamics. She was launched in 1993 and is berthed at the U.S. Naval Submarine Base in Groton.

In October 2003, the Hartford ran aground near La Maddalena in Sardinia with sufficient force to cause substantial damage to her rudders, sonar and electronics.

The submarine is the second ship to be named after Hartford. The first was a sail and steam-powered sloop of war commissioned in 1859. The first Hartford served initially as flag ship of the U.S. Navy's East India Squadron.

Upon the outbreak of the Civil War, the original Hartford became Adm. David Farragut's flagship in the Western Gulf of Mexico Blockading Squadron. It entered history during the Civil War battle of Mobile Bay when Farragut issued the order now remembered as the battle cry "Damn the torpedoes full speed ahead."

http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld ... 4729.story

Also here is the link to the Wikipedia Article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Orleans_(LPD-18)

[Sionnach Glic]

Wow, what is this, The Year Of Supreme Idiocy?

[Teaos]

To bad, it was supposed to be the year of Astronomy.

[USSEnterprise]

The French and English one seems at least somewhat reasonable, but for two ships of the same navy to collide, thats just pathetic.

[Foxfyre]

It depends on whats going on. A sub that is submerged is almost completly cut off from the rest of the world (No e-mail, internet ect) and have to rely on sonar (which depending on the water condtions may or may not detect another ship, sound in the water doesn't follow a straight path, it bends and curves, gets downed out ect) and the New Orleans is not equiped with a sonar system so they may not have know they were even there. While most likely the sub is a fault we don't know the details on what happened (whether it is a lack of command and control, a missed ship movement message, crossed comms ect.) Lets reserve judgement until we have the details instead of saying somethign is retarded . Things like this happen, reason why the Navy harps on Safety and why ship captains can get fired for little things (granted this is not a little thing)

[Lt. Staplic]

well, the US gov is involved, so it's most likely just a case of incompetence on the command side.

[stitch626]

Maybe they were playing hide and go seek.

[Tsukiyumi]

To bad, it was supposed to be the year of Astronomy.

I thought it was the year of booze and strippers. I must've missed the memo.

[Teaos]

Every year Tsu, every year...

[Lt. Staplic]