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US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:09 pm
by Captain Seafort
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New Indian stealth warship halted by US bar on GE
Ajai Shukla / On Board The Ins Shivalik, Mumbai March 06, 2009, 0:08 IST

If the United States ranks near the bottom amongst India's defence suppliers, Washington's penchant for imposing sanctions and restrictions has much to do with it. Now, the US appears to have shot itself in the foot again. The Indian Navy chose to power its indigenously designed, cutting-edge stealth warship, the INS Shivalik, with gas turbines from American company General Electric (GE). But even as the Shivalik readies for sea trials, the US State Department has ordered GE to stop all work on the turbines it has supplied.

Vice Admiral HS Malhi (Retired), chairman and managing director of Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL), which built the Shivalik, has confirmed to Business Standard that GE has received instructions to stop operationalising (making ready for operations) the two new LM 2500 gas turbines that it supplied for the Shivalik. GE has told MDL that there could be up to three months delay, while the new US administration reviews its military relations with several countries. India is not alone in facing this ban; GE has been told to stop work even with close US allies like the UK and Australia.

MDL has clearly been taken by surprise. Says Admiral Malhi, "It is quite surprising that such a letter has been received from GE. They said the (US) State Department could take up to 3-4 months to re-look at relations with these countries. We don't have that kind of time; we have to deliver the ship to the navy."

The Shivalik stealth frigate is powered by four engines, in what is termed a CODOG (COmbined Diesel Or Gas) arrangement. Normal operations are powered by two Pielstick diesel engines, supplied by France. The gas turbines kick in for short bursts during combat, when extra power is needed. They are less fuel-efficient than diesel engines, but provide high performance. This is the first time that US turbines have been installed in an Indian-built frigate.

MDL is now exploring whether it can use another GE subsidiary to operationalise the Shivalik's turbines, without invalidating GE's warranty. According to Admiral Malhi, "If GE allows us to use one of its licensees, the delay can be cut down to a month. GE is not averse to that, as long as no American person is involved in the work."

GE has not responded to an email, asking for details of this delay. The US State Department has also ignored a request for information. A spokesperson of the US Embassy in New Delhi has sidestepped the question, replying by email that, "The State Department has not instructed GE in the conduct of this direct commercial sale. Aspects of this sale were subject to export licensing, which is conducted through the State Department."

When asked to comment specifically on blanket orders from the State Department to GE regarding commercial defence dealings with India, the US Embassy did not respond.

Recent Indian frigates were powered by Russian turbines. But GE's LM 2500 gas turbines were chosen for three Project 17 frigates (of which INS Shivalik is the first) because of their better reliability. More than one thousand LM 2500 turbines power more than 400 warships in 30 navies across the world. In addition, the LM 2500 is used for power generation in luxury cruise liners like the QE II.

US defence industry sources indicate that GE is upset by the State Department's directives, which clearly damage GE's commercial interests. The ban, suggest sources, was imposed by an "over-enthusiastic State Department bureaucrat", keen to display that the Obama administration was on the ball from the beginning. But in India, the ban is already generating talk of an unwise choice in going for a US engine.
The bolded bit is what makes me sit up and take not. What exactly do those idiots think they're doing? :wtf:

Re: US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:22 pm
by Foxfyre
*BANG* ow ow ow ow ow we just shot ourselves in the nuts.........

well this is going to make things even more interesting for the economy.

Re: US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:28 pm
by Aaron
2 gaffes in one week... :roll:

Re: US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:30 pm
by Captain Seafort
Cpl Kendall wrote:2 gaffes in one week... :roll:
Indeed. Added to that protectionist cock-up a few weeks ago, if Obama carries on at this rate he'll be worse than Bush. Death by a thousand cuts.

Re: US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:39 pm
by Sionnach Glic
What? What the fuck are they doing? Hell, that ship they were building for India probably gained the US millions of dollars in profits, and created a load of jobs. Now what? Are the Indians going to ask for a refund? And what about all the people who will no longer have jobs because they're not building fighter planes for export any more?

What the fuck?

Re: US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:41 pm
by Tsukiyumi
I don't mind not exporting the F-22, but I fail to see the reasoning behind refusing sale of a couple of engines. :?

Re: US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:46 pm
by Mikey
Especially for a native design. Honestly, what exactly is this supposed to accomplish?

Re: US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:56 am
by Deepcrush
Sad but I'm pretty sure we're seeing the fall of the US from power. Next topic should be about who's going to replace the US as the world super power. I'm going with China.

Re: US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:59 am
by Teaos
It made me chuckle, John Howard former PM of Australia pretty much sold out his nation to go to war in Iraq, and this is how they are repaid...

Re: US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:13 pm
by Captain Picard's Hair
Even the supposed point of this doesn't make sense, as the Indian ship is already designed and mostly built, it seems. One part, especially something fairly common like a gas turbine, can only delay it at most. As Mikey said, it is a native design, to boot - and for all this the US only loses sales. :?

Re: US State Department blocks all military sales

Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:57 pm
by Mikey
Deepcrush wrote:Sad but I'm pretty sure we're seeing the fall of the US from power. Next topic should be about who's going to replace the US as the world super power. I'm going with China.
Well, Wen is already beginning to tell us how to spend our money - rather, China's money. :roll: And we better listen, too - if China calls in its markers, we're screwed.