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Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:49 am
by Aaron
Senators slam plan for wounded vets to use private insurance
By Adam Levine
CNN
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to
make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.
But the proposal would be "dead on arrival" if it's sent to Congress, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, said.
Murray used that blunt terminology when she told Shinseki that the idea would not be acceptable and would be rejected if formally proposed. Her remarks came during a hearing before the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs about the 2010 budget.
No official proposal to create such a program has been announced publicly, but veterans groups wrote a pre-emptive letter last week to President Obama voicing their opposition to the idea after hearing the plan was under consideration.
The groups also cited an increase in "third-party collections" estimated in the 2010 budget proposal -- something they said could be achieved only if the Veterans Administration started billing for service-related injuries.
Asked about the proposal, Shinseki said it was under "consideration."
"A final decision hasn't been made yet," he said.
Currently, veterans' private insurance is charged only when they receive health care from the VA for medical issues that are not related to service injuries, like getting the flu.
Charging for service-related injuries would violate "a sacred trust," Veterans of Foreign Wars spokesman Joe Davis said. Davis said the move would risk private health care for veterans and their families by potentially maxing out benefits paying for costly war injury treatments.
A second senator, North Carolina Republican Richard Burr, said he agreed that the idea should not go forward.
"I think you will give that up" as a revenue stream if it is included in this April's budget, Burr said.
Murray said she'd already discussed her concerns with the secretary the previous week.
"I believe that veterans with service-connected injuries have already paid by putting their lives on the line," Murray said in her remarks. "I don't think we should nickel and dime them for their care."
Eleven of the most prominent veterans organizations have been lobbying Congress to oppose the idea. In the letter sent last week to the president, the groups warned that the idea "is wholly unacceptable and a total abrogation of our government's moral and legal responsibility to the men and women who have sacrificed so much."
The groups included The American Legion, Disabled American Veterans, Military Order of the Purple Heart, Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States, and Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America.
At the time, a White House spokesman would neither confirm nor deny the option was being considered.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03 ... index.html
I'm just gonna get right to the point. When you sign on the dotted line it is with implicit understanding that the government will take care of you if you get hurt
at their expense. So let me give a big fuck you to Obama, good thing this has no hope in hell in get passed Congress.
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:55 am
by Tsukiyumi
"Whoever wins, we lose."
The tagline for AVP:R, and apparently, the reality of the American political system. Why in hell would he not just laugh away whoever proposed this to him?
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:05 am
by Deepcrush
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Nice to see that my family is going to be so well repaid for so many generations of service... repaided with a fucking bill. If this is the case to come. I'll swear on my soul none of my kids will ever take up arms in service so long as I live!
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:41 pm
by Mark
A rather bone headed move, I must say.
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:04 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Well that's fucking retarded.
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:07 pm
by Monroe
What the fuck?! Fuck you Obama.
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:03 pm
by Lazar
That's a dumb idea. We need to be expanding public insurance, not dismantling it.
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:20 pm
by Foxfyre
To bad I'm active duty right now other wise I could comment on this..................
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:26 pm
by m52nickerson
You all realize it would be for vets that have private insurance currently right?
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:30 pm
by Aaron
m52nickerson wrote:You all realize it would be for vets that have private insurance currently right?
I'd like to see where it says that. Because the article states this:
Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:43 pm
by m52nickerson
No were in the article does it state that vet without private insurance would be denied services. Plus Obama just pledge more help for vets, especially homeless ones.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/16/obama.veterans/
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:45 pm
by Monroe
USS Aeon wrote:To bad I'm active duty right now other wise I could comment on this..................
Well we don't know your name. So go for it.
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:48 pm
by Aaron
That article told us sweet bugger all except their putting more money into VA. Could the original article be full of shit? Sure it could but I'd like to see something more definitive than an article that says nothing.
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:50 pm
by Captain Seafort
Monroe wrote:Well we don't know your name. So go for it.
We do, however, have his photo in the appropriate forum. Besides which I assume Aeon signed a document stating "I will not rip the US government a new arsehole while I'm working for them" (or words to that effect), so I entirely understand and agree with his stance.
Re: Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Service Related Medical Care
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:53 pm
by Aaron
Captain Seafort wrote:
We do, however, have his photo in the appropriate forum. Besides which I assume Aeon signed a document stating "I will not rip the US government a new arsehole while I'm working for them" (or words to that effect), so I entirely understand and agree with his stance.
Indeed, better safe then sorry. We have his photo and location (trade as well IIRC) so somebody with an axe to grind with him could fuck him over a bit. If the US Military is anything like the CF, one of those nice rights you sacrifice is the right to criticize or endorse government policy.