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Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:54 am
by Tsukiyumi
DETROIT (AP) -- The U.S. auto industry needs even more help from the government to survive than originally thought. General Motors on Tuesday said it could need up to $30 billion from the Treasury Department to keep operating. Included in that amount is $13.4 billion the company has already received. Previously, GM had said it could need as much as $18 billion.

General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC said Tuesday they'll need billions more in government loans than they predicted just two months ago. The two automakers also plan further job cuts and additional curtailment of auto production.

Both companies plan to reduce the number of models they offer to car buyers over the next few years.

Meanwhile, the United Auto Workers union said it has reached a tentative agreement with Chrysler, GM and Ford Motor Co. on modifications to existing labor contracts.

Acknowledging that industry conditions are worse than expected when it made the case in December for a government bailout, GM said it could run out of money by March without new funds from the government. The latest request includes $9.1 billion in new loans and a $7.5 billion credit line.

Chrysler requested an additional $5 billion from Treasury. It originally said it would need $3 billion more. The company had already received $4 billion.

GM's survival plan also calls for the cutting of a total of 47,000 jobs and the closing of five more U.S. factories. Chrysler said it will cut 3,000 more jobs and stop producing three vehicle models.

Auburn Hills, Mich.-based Chrysler said the economy and the market for new cars has deteriorated significantly since its initial request. Chrysler said it now projects that automakers will sell 10.1 million vehicles in the U.S. this year, the lowest level in four decades.

Chrysler Vice Chairman and President Jim Press said in a conference call with reporters that the company will eliminate the Dodge Aspen, Durango and Chrysler PT Cruiser.

Ford, which borrowed billions from private sources before credit markets tightened, has said it can make it through 2009 without government help.

The plans still have to be vetted by Treasury and the new autos task force announced by the Obama administration Sunday night. Details were unveiled on a day when President Barack Obama signed into law a massive economic recovery plan. Signs that the recession is deepening were more immediate for investors, however, and they dumped stocks and pushed oil prices sharply lower.

The UAW said discussions are continuing regarding the union-run trust fund that will take on retiree health care expenses starting next year. Under terms of the government loans, both Chrysler and GM are required to reach concessions with the UAW and debt holders.

"The changes will help these companies face the extraordinarily difficult economic climate in which they operate," UAW President Ron Gettelfinger said in a statement released by the union.

GM has previously outlined reductions to both its hourly and salaried work force and has said it plans to cut back to four vehicle brands from eight.

President Obama's top spokesman told reporters aboard Air Force One on Tuesday that he wouldn't rule out bankruptcy for the Detroit automakers. Robert Gibbs said the administration looks forward to reviewing General Motors and Chrysler's restructuring plans.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said she was hopeful the plans would help lead to the "transformation of our domestic automobile industry into a viable, technologically advanced, and globally competitive manufacturing force."

She said "Congress looks forward to working with the Obama Administration" to make the domestic auto sector competitive "while ensuring accountability to the taxpayers."
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Jesus. Another 47,000 jobs? I'm getting the impression they understated the problem when they asked for help the first time. :?

Re: Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:14 am
by Teaos
I think the US should let one of the companies fail, it shows they wont help everyone and hopefully scares the crap out of the other two and makes them start behaving.

Re: Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:21 am
by Mikey
They didn't understate the problem - they failed to understand the problem. As a pseudo-insider, the problem isn't product or even process - the problem is the way these companies are managed. Failing top-level executives are shuffled around, rather than eliminated; money flows from profitable departments into black holes. Acquisition are made for the simple sake of having made them. Did GM need to buy 40% of Isuzu in order to field Duramax? No, but know they've cut their own market share by a third because GMICT is competing with itself three ways instead of two. Did they need to undercut themselves for the sake of Suzuki build-outs? Should Rick Wagoner still have a job? No, and no. Parts of GM are among the most profitable auto divisions in the world (GM Western Europe and Chevy China.) But all the bailout money in the world won't help unless the powers that be are dragged kicking and screaming into the real world and forced to take a critical look at their own business practices.
Teaos wrote:I think the US should let one of the companies fail, it shows they wont help everyone and hopefully scares the crap out of the other two and makes them start behaving.
That's great philosophically, but you have no idea of the scale of the trickle-down effect that would be begun with the failure of one of the Big Three. YOu can't conceive of how much industry is tied into the automotive industry.

Re: Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:39 am
by Aaron
Mikey wrote:
That's great philosophically, but you have no idea of the scale of the trickle-down effect that would be begun with the failure of one of the Big Three. YOu can't conceive of how much industry is tied into the automotive industry.
Oh, I'm sure he can. He's probably just ceased to give a shit, its hard to have any sympathy when every other week their asking for cash.

Re: Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:16 am
by Lazar
Mikey, what do you think of the idea of merging GM and Chrysler?

Re: Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:10 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Nationalise the fuckers.

Re: Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:47 pm
by Aaron
Rochey wrote:Nationalise the fuckers.
So the Feds are stuck with a company that generates no profits? NAy, nationalise and then have them retool to make razors or something that is guarenteed money.

Re: Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:53 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Well, at least then they'd be free to actualy kick the companies into gear.

Re: Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:51 pm
by Mikey
Lazar wrote:Mikey, what do you think of the idea of merging GM and Chrysler?
As far as I know, that was never the idea. For years, GM has coveted Jeep from Chrysler, and has been trying to unload Hummer (and Saab, now, too.) A merger is based on the idea of two healthy companies adding their strength, or one healthy one propping up an unhealthy one. In this case, it would be two unhealthy companies multiplying their failures.

Re: Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:05 pm
by Aaron
Rochey wrote:Well, at least then they'd be free to actualy kick the companies into gear.
Actually I think it'll have the opposite effect. The US has problems with pork as it is now, just think what will happen if the company gets nationalised.

Re: Auto Industry Needs More Money

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:10 pm
by Mikey
Yech. You said that right, Kendall. No matter how badly managed those companies are now, think how bad it would be under US federal supervision.