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Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:46 pm
by Grundig
IMO, this is a great episode. There's plenty to YATI about, but it's really well-done in terms of acting, and in terms of drama. Seeing the ship blowing up over and over is pretty fun, too. The whole destruction sequence is awesome - each time it's seen from a slightly different angle. This is my nomination for Best Teaser Intro - not that we're having a contest. My only complaint is that it's too dark to watch outdoors on my iphone :P

Here's a youtube video of the opening sequence (plus a little extra).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4_vTdcI-LM

One other thing - the alert sound that's going off after the ship's nacelle explodes - I'm assuming that's the 'Abandon Ship' klaxon, right? We've never heard it elsewhere, have we?

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:08 pm
by Weyoun the Dancing Borg
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Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:34 pm
by Sionnach Glic
I'm not a fan of this episode. The whole "scratch the nacelle and you're f*cked" thing annoyed me to no end.

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:40 pm
by stitch626
I have to agree with Rochey on this. There were other ways they could have done it. Death blow to the nacelle was lame.

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:34 pm
by Grundig
I guess it makes the E-D look pretty fragile. I think some OOU limitations kept them from animating a more crippling collision, but I thought at the time that it looked pretty cool. That's the first time we saw two ships collide in Trek, IIRC.

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:56 pm
by Captain Picard's Hair
It wasn't exactly good for the E-D's reputation. In ST-II, Enterprise completely blew off one of Reliant's nacelles, blew up her torpedo pod and buckled her hull with torpedo impacts, and Reliant survived until Khan set off the Genesis device. Later on, Voyager endured punishing damage, particularly in "Year of Hell," and was always good as new by next week. E-E survived ramming Scimitar.

Most unfortunately for the big E, this doesn't point to a difference in the toughness of ships from different eras. I guess all we can say is that she was one of the first of her class, and was exposed to inordinate amounts of danger from various phenomena of the week.

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:02 pm
by Sionnach Glic
I guess all we can say is that she was one of the first of her class, and was exposed to inordinate amounts of danger from various phenomena of the week.
None of which have any bearing on this incident. The E-D went up due to getting a minor impact on the starboard nacelle, not because of quantum or the alien of the week. That such a thing can happen to any ship, regardless of its intended role, is insane.

Also, I just noticed something interesting. The E-D gets hit in the starboard nacelle, yet it's the port side nacelle that actualy blows up. What the hell is going on there? Is the E-D really so unstable that a hit to one side of the ship will cause the other side of the ship to blow up? That's even worse than I thought!

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:08 pm
by Grundig
I think main systems went down before the impact, presumably because of the distortion in spacetime.

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:10 pm
by Bryan Moore
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What was this about? Tantalizing.


As for the episode: Great episode. Way back when TNG was released as single video episodes, it was one of only 5 episodes I owned. Love the appearance by Kelsey Grammar too!

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:11 pm
by Sionnach Glic
What was this about? Tantalizing.
Weyoun went on a spam fest throughout the forum posting sexual images in various threads, which were then deleted. We're not sure, but we think his account may have been hijacked.

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:19 pm
by kostmayer
How long was the Bozeman caught in the timeloop? Why didn't any of their crew experience Deja Vu?

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:23 pm
by Captain Seafort
It's not entirely clear whether the Bozeman was ever caught in the loop - it was simply thrown through time, and ran into the E-D, without being caught in the time loop itself.

As for how far displaced from their own time they were - about ninety years.

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:45 pm
by Mark
I had a thought. Do you suppose that the crew of the Bosemen, who chose to remain in Starfleet, would have had to go back to the acadamy for a couple of years? After all, ALOT of things had happened to the interviening years. How do you guys think that was handeled?

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:47 pm
by Captain Seafort
Read "Ship of the Line". Non-canon of course, but it's a good read, and it gives a fascinating look at the Bozeman's crew both before and after their little jaunt into the future.

Re: Cause and Effect

Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 9:50 pm
by Mark
Captain Seafort wrote:Read "Ship of the Line". Non-canon of course, but it's a good read, and it gives a fascinating look at the Bozeman's crew both before and after their little jaunt into the future.
I did, several years ago actually so I can't really remember all of it. That's what sparked my curiousity. Sure, the Captain became the "senior most" Captain in Starfleet, but I'm thinking of little Lieutenant Larry and Ensign Erika. Surely they would have needed a "refresher" course being several decades behind before being allowed to rejoin the fleet.