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Immediate Withdrawl The Only Sensible Option (Iraq)

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:56 am
by Aaron
The Link is dressed for success!

Warning: It's long.
Below is the testimony of General William Odom, a retired U.S. Army 3-star general and former Director of the NSA under President Ronald Reagan, before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Iraq.

Good morning Mr. Chairman and members of the committee. It is an honor to appear before you again. The last occasion was in January 2007, when the topic was the troop surge. Today you are asking if it has worked. Last year I rejected the claim that it was a new strategy. Rather, I said, it is a new tactic used to achieve the same old strategic aim, political stability. And I foresaw no serious prospects for success.

I see no reason to change my judgment now. The surge is prolonging instability, not creating the conditions for unity as the president claims.

Last year, General Petraeus wisely declined to promise a military solution to this political problem, saying that he could lower the level of violence, allowing a limited time for the Iraqi leaders to strike a political deal. Violence has been temporarily reduced but today there is credible evidence that the political situation is far more fragmented. And currently we see violence surge in Baghdad and Basra. In fact, it has also remained sporadic and significant inseveral other parts of Iraq over the past year, notwithstanding the notable drop in Baghdad and Anbar Province.

More disturbing, Prime Minister Maliki has initiated military action and then dragged in US forces to help his own troops destroy his Shiite competitors. This is a political setback, not a political solution. Such is the result of the surge tactic.

No less disturbing has been the steady violence in the Mosul area, and the tensions in Kirkuk between Kurds, Arabs, and Turkomen. A showdown over control of the oil fields there surely awaits us. And the idea that some kind of a federal solution can cut this Gordian knot strikes me as a wild fantasy, wholly out of touch with Kurdish realities.

Also disturbing is Turkey's military incursion to destroy Kurdish PKK groups in the border region. That confronted the US government with a choice: either to support its NATO ally, or to make good on its commitment to Kurdish leaders to insure their security. It chose the former, and that makes it clear to the Kurds that the United States will sacrifice their security to its larger interests in Turkey.

Turning to the apparent success in Anbar province and a few other Sunni areas, this is not the positive situation it is purported to be. Certainly violence has declined as local Sunni shieks have begun to cooperate with US forces. But the surge tactic cannot be given full credit. The decline started earlier on Sunni initiative. What are their motives? First, anger at al Qaeda operatives and second, their financial plight.

Their break with al Qaeda should give us little comfort. The Sunnis welcomed anyone who would help them kill Americans, including al Qaeda. The concern we hear the president and his aides express about a residual base left for al Qaeda if we withdraw is utter nonsense. The Sunnis will soon destroy al Qaeda if we leave Iraq. The Kurds do not allow them in their region, and the Shiites, like the Iranians, detest al Qaeda. To understand why, one need only take note of the al Qaeda public diplomacy campaign over the past year or so on internet blogs. They implore the United States to bomb and invade Iran and destroy this apostate Shiite regime. As an aside, it gives me pause to learn that our vice president and some members of the Senate are aligned with al Qaeda on spreading the war to Iran.

Let me emphasize that our new Sunni friends insist on being paid for their loyalty. I have heard, for example, a rough estimate that the cost in one area of about 100 square kilometers is $250,000 per day. And periodically they threaten to defect unless their fees are increased. You might want to find out the total costs for these deals forecasted for the next several years, because they are not small and they do not promise to end. Remember, we do not own these people. We merely rent them. And they can break the lease at any moment. At the same time, this deal protects them to some degree from the government's troops and police, hardly a sign of political reconciliation.

Now let us consider the implications of the proliferating deals with the Sunni strongmen. They are far from unified among themselves. Some remain with al Qaeda. Many who break and join our forces are beholden to no one. Thus the decline in violence reflects a dispersion of power to dozens of local strong men who distrust the government and occasionally fight among themselves. Thus the basic military situation is far worse because of the proliferation of armed groups under local military chiefs who follow a proliferating number of political bosses.

This can hardly be called greater military stability, much less progress toward political consolidation, and to call it fragility that needs more time to become success is to ignore its implications. At the same time, Prime Minister Maliki's military actions in Basra and Baghdad, indicate even wider political and military fragmentation. We are witnessing is more accurately described as the road to the Balkanization of Iraq, that is, political fragmentation. We are being asked by the president to believe that this shift of so much power and finance to so many local chieftains is the road to political centralization. He describes the process as building the state from the bottom up.

I challenge you to press the administration's witnesses this week to explain this absurdity. Ask them to name a single historical case where power has been aggregated successfully from local strong men to a central government except through bloody violence leading to a single winner, most often a dictator. That is the history of feudal Europe's transformation to the age of absolute monarchy. It is the story of the American colonization of the west and our Civil War. It took England 800 years to subdue clan rule on what is now the English-Scottish border. And it is the source of violence in Bosnia and Kosovo.

How can our leaders celebrate this diffusion of power as effective state building? More accurately described, it has placed the United States astride several civil wars. And it allows all sides to consolidate, rearm, and refill their financial coffers at the US expense.

To sum up, we face a deteriorating political situation with an over extended army. When the administration's witnesses appear before you, you should make them clarify how long the army and marines can sustain this band-aid strategy.

The only sensible strategy is to withdraw rapidly but in good order. Only that step can break the paralysis now gripping US strategy in the region. The next step is to choose a new aim, regional stability, not a meaningless victory in Iraq. And progress toward that goal requires revising our policy toward Iran. If the president merely renounced his threat of regime change by force, that could prompt Iran to lessen its support to Taliban groups in Afghanistan. Iran detests the Taliban and supports them only because they will kill more Americans in Afghanistan as retaliation in event of a US attack on Iran. Iran's policy toward Iraq would also have to change radically as we withdraw. It cannot want instability there. Iraqi Shiites are Arabs, and they know that Persians look down on them. Cooperation between them has its limits.

No quick reconciliation between the US and Iran is likely, but US steps to make Iran feel more secure make it far more conceivable than a policy calculated to increase its insecurity. The president's policy has reinforced Iran's determination to acquire nuclear weapons, the very thing he purports to be trying to prevent.

Withdrawal from Iraq does not mean withdrawal from the region. It must include a realignment and reassertion of US forces and diplomacy that give us a better chance to achieve our aim.

A number of reasons are given for not withdrawing soon and completely. I have refuted them repeatedly before but they have more lives than a cat. Let try again me explain why they don't make sense.

First, it is insisted that we must leave behind military training element with no combat forces to secure them. This makes no sense at all. The idea that US military trainers left alone in Iraq can be safe and effective is flatly rejected by several NCOs and junior officers I have heard describe their personal experiences. Moreover, training foreign forces before they have a consolidated political authority to command their loyalty is a windmill tilt. Finally, Iraq is not short on military skills.

Second, it is insisted that chaos will follow our withdrawal. We heard that argument as the "domino theory" in Vietnam. Even so, the path to political stability will be bloody regardless of whether we withdraw or not. The idea that the United States has a moral responsibility to prevent this ignores that reality. We are certainly to blame for it, but we do not have the physical means to prevent it. American leaders who insist that it is in our power to do so are misleading both the public and themselves if they believe it. The real moral question is whether to risk the lives of more Americans. Unlike preventing chaos, we have the physical means to stop sending more troops where many will be killed or wounded. That is the moral responsibility to our country which no American leaders seems willing to assume.

Third, nay sayers insist that our withdrawal will create regional instability. This confuses cause with effect. Our forces in Iraq and our threat to change Iran's regime are making the region unstable. Those who link instability with a US withdrawal have it exactly backwards. Our ostrich strategy of keeping our heads buried in the sands of Iraq has done nothing but advance our enemies' interest.

I implore you to reject these fallacious excuses for prolonging the commitment of US forces to war in Iraq.

Thanks for this opportunity to testify today.
Just another nail in the coffin of Bush Administration policy.

Re: Immediate Withdrawl The Only Sensible Option (Iraq)

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:43 am
by Duskofdead
Just another nail in the coffin of Bush Administration policy.
No no, you don't understand. We're achieving victory in Iraq. Victory that's you know... when you're... vic-tor-i ous. That's how you know you have victory. And our brave men and women are helping to achieve this victory so that the terrists, who hate our freedoms, won't succeed in their violent aims. The surge has been a huge success in transforming Iraq into a peaceful democracy.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:57 am
by Aaron
I see your a fan of Baghdad Bob and Tony Snow. If you get a job as the POTUS press secretary we can call you Washington Willie. :wink:

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:00 am
by Duskofdead
I was yelling at people before Bush's first time we'd be back in Iraq. And everyone was sorta "huh well yeah maybe I dunno." I continue to be amazed at how stupid and how completely unable to think forward so many people are. And even the people who have turned off on Bush in the last two years or so... it's like... what the hell! What portion of your brain finally grew in NOW that wasn't there before?

Bush gives us more of the same, more of the same, more of the same, more of the same.

The people who needed 6 years to realize things weren't going to suddenly swing around and have wonderfully successful effects after years of failure and repeating the same policies fit the textbook definition of insanity.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:02 am
by Aaron
Duskofdead wrote:I was yelling at people before Bush's first time we'd be back in Iraq. And everyone was sorta "huh well yeah maybe I dunno." I continue to be amazed at how stupid and how completely unable to think forward so many people are. And even the people who have turned off on Bush in the last two years or so... it's like... what the hell! What portion of your brain finally grew in NOW that wasn't there before?

Bush gives us more of the same, more of the same, more of the same, more of the same.

The people who needed 6 years to realize things weren't going to suddenly swing around and have wonderfully successful effects after years of failure and repeating the same policies fit the textbook definition of insanity.
That reminds me of a study I saw that basically said: "Conservatives are mentally disabled". Now I have to find it.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:05 am
by Aaron
Here it is.
The brain neurons of liberals and conservatives fire differently when confronted with tough choices, suggesting that some political divides may be hard-wired, a study says.

Aristotle may have been more on the mark than he realised when he said that man is by nature a political animal.

Dozens of previous studies have established a strong link between political persuasion and certain personality traits.

Conservatives tend to crave order and structure in their lives, and are more consistent in the way they make decisions.

Liberals, by contrast, show a higher tolerance for ambiguity and complexity, and adapt more easily to unexpected circumstances.

The affinity between political views and "cognitive style" has also been shown to be heritable, handed down from parents to children, the study published in the British journal Nature Neuroscience says.

Intrigued by these correlations, New York University political scientist Assistant Professor David Amodio and colleagues decided to find out if the brains of liberals and conservatives reacted differently to the same stimuli.

A group of 43 right-handed subjects were asked to perform a series of computer tests designed to evaluate their unrehearsed response to cues urging them to break a well-established routine.

"People often drive home from work on the same route, day after day, such that it becomes habitual and doesn't involve much thinking," Professor Amodio said.

"But occasionally there is roadwork, or perhaps an animal crosses the road, and you need to break out of your habitual response in order to deal with this new information."

Conflict monitoring

Using electroencephalographs, which measure neuronal impulses, the researchers examined activity in a part of the brain - the anterior cingulate cortex - that is strongly linked with the self-regulatory process of conflict monitoring.

The match-up was unmistakable: respondents who had described themselves as liberals showed "significantly greater conflict-related neural activity" when the hypothetical situation called for an unscheduled break in routine.

However, conservatives were less flexible, refusing to deviate from old habits "despite signals that this ... should be changed".

Whether that is good or bad, of course, depends on one's perspective: one could interpret the results to mean that liberals are nimble-minded and conservatives rigid and stubborn.

Or one could, with equal justice, conclude that wishy-washy liberals don't stick to their guns, while conservatives and steadfast and loyal.

As to the more intriguing question of which comes first, the patterns in neuron activity or the political orientation, Professor Amodio is reluctant to hazard a guess.

"The neural mechanisms for conflict monitoring are formed early in childhood," and are probably rooted in part in our genetic heritage, he said.

"But even if genes may provide a blueprint for more liberal or conservative orientations, they are shaped substantially by one's environment over the course of development."
Ok, not disabled just unable to adapt.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:07 am
by Duskofdead
That reminds me of a study I saw that basically said: "Conservatives are mentally disabled". Now I have to find it.
I tend to agree. They are people virtually PARALYZED by deep rooted fears and insecurities. And the Republican party completely capitalizes off that personality flaw in a large portion of the population and essentially survives as a political party by doing so. And the reason so many of them (20-25% STILL support Bush wholeheartedly!) will stick with the party, no matter what, is because even if things aren't going so great within the party or even openly contradicting spoken conservative values, they are more afraid of threats all around them than threats created from within the party. Be it terrorists hiding behind every tree outside of Wal*Mart or Democrats trying to take your guns away, ban God, and force your children to speak Spanish.

Of course, they say the same thing about us, that "we're" mentally ill. Such as that pondscum Michael Savage's book "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder."

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:12 am
by Aaron
They can claim I'm mentally ill all they want but I'm not the one living in fear of my dark-skinned neighbor. Or sodomising gays with a broomstick. But I'm a Canadian, where even a conservative is a liberal compared to the liberals in the US.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:16 am
by Duskofdead
Cpl Kendall wrote:They can claim I'm mentally ill all they want but I'm not the one living in fear of my dark-skinned neighbor. Or sodomising gays with a broomstick. But I'm a Canadian, where even a conservative is a liberal compared to the liberals in the US.
The evidence that the Republican Party has consistently acted against conservative values (debt spending, big government, interventions to bailout big corporations in the "free market"), and that Republican politicians have been caught in so many more massively hypocritical personal scandals for being part of the "moral values" party is enormous and doesn't need re-listing. The fact that people still cling to the Republican party in light of all of that, though, implies some inability to think or a dogged refusal to reconcile subjective ideas of what the Republican Party is and what it ACTUALLY is.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:21 am
by Aaron
Duskofdead wrote: The fact that people still cling to the Republican party in light of all of that, though, implies some inability to think or a dogged refusal to reconcile subjective ideas of what the Republican Party is and what it ACTUALLY is.
Seems like it's become a tribal thing. The Republicans have convinced their supporters that everything they do is for the good of the tribe, witness the way they put forth their policies and ideas. Everything is repeated over and over in simple easy to understand pieces. You know who else does that? The military in Basic, when you hear something enough, it becomes truth.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:39 am
by Mikey
What the Republicans do IS good for the tribe - the only problem is, very few people can afford to buy their way into the tribe.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:21 pm
by Sionnach Glic
In other news, rain is wet.

Seriously, hasn't the rest of the planet been saying Iraq was a moronic idea from the get-go? :?

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:23 pm
by Mikey
Hey, we're America - we don't listen to anyone, especially not or own populace!

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:57 pm
by Captain Seafort
Rochey wrote:In other news, rain is wet.

Seriously, hasn't the rest of the planet been saying Iraq was a moronic idea from the get-go? :?
Not from the get-go. Mid-late 2003 onwards, once the DoD had proved its utter ineptness in COIN, was when disaster was predicted.

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:04 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Oh, okay then. Well, personaly I'd been predicting chaos in Iraq from the start. Sometimes it's not nice to know you were right.