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Looks like Armaggedon is postponed again....
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:50 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Members of Russian cult trickle out of cave
21 of original 35 people waiting for the end of the world have given up
MOSCOW - Fourteen more members of a Russian cult that has been holed up in a cave for months awaiting the end of the world emerged Tuesday after melting snows caused more of their hillside cave to collapse, officials said.
The group, which included two children aged 8 and 14, were in satisfactory condition, regional emergency spokesman Dmitry Yeskin told The Associated Press. They were moved to a nearby house where the group's leader, self-declared prophet Pyotr Kuznetsov, has been living.
Yeskin said negotiators were trying to persuade the remaining 14 to come out of the underground hillside shelter, which was built in the Penza region, about 400 miles southeast of Moscow, last fall.
Vice Governor Oleg Melnichenko said more of the cave had collapsed around dawn Tuesday, and cult members told emergency officials that they had had a divine vision overnight that instructed them to leave.
On Friday, seven other cult members emerged as melting spring snows caused part of the shelter to cave in, sparking fears that the entire structure could collapse.
The group will remain in a so-called prayer house in the nearby village of Nikolskoye until Orthodox Easter, which is April 27, Melnichenko said.
Waiting for the end of the world?
A total of 35 people entered the cave in early November to await the end of the world, which they said would happen in May. They told authorities that they would detonate gas canisters if police tried to remove them by force.
Yeskin said the group that came out Tuesday handed over three rifles.
Authorities have repeatedly enlisted the help of priests from the Orthodox Church in an effort to persuade the group to leave, communicating mainly through a small chimney pipe that poked up through the snowy hillside.
Some of the cultists had indicated last week they might leave the cave on Orthodox Easter.
Kuznetsov has been charged with setting up a religious organization associated with violence and officials later said they had seized literature that included what appeared to be extremist rhetoric. He had been confined to a psychiatric hospital since last November, but was brought Nikolskoye late last month to help in negotiations.
An engineer from a devout family, Kuznetsov, who goes by the title of Father Pyotr, declared himself a prophet several years ago. He left his family and established the True Russian Orthodox Church and recruited followers in Russia and Belarus.
His followers were not allowed to watch television, listen to the radio or handle money, Russian media have reported.
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
The link of doom
So.....why did they go into the caves?
Is anyone else getting Discworld vibes from this?
"Where are you going?"
"To the mountains."
"There's a big meteor coming to kill us all.....and you're heading to the mountains? Why, is it safer there?"
"No, but the view will be spectacular."
Well, it was something along those lines....
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:53 pm
by Aaron
They had a chimney pipe and no one thought to drop a bunch of CS grenades down and go in and drag them out? The Russians are usually all over that kind of thing like white on rice.
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:52 pm
by sunnyside
If this is a lie at least this ones plausible.
(It would have been interesting if the story about those dudes who killed themselves after castration and while wearing Nikes had come out on April 1st).
Still if they aren't hurting anybody I don't think you need to go for the CS gas. I think Russia is, to some degree, trying to tone it down.
Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:01 pm
by Sionnach Glic
You know, you
could quite easily verify this story by clicking on the link I gave.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:20 pm
by Aaron
sunnyside wrote:If this is a lie at least this ones plausible.
(It would have been interesting if the story about those dudes who killed themselves after castration and while wearing Nikes had come out on April 1st).
Still if they aren't hurting anybody I don't think you need to go for the CS gas. I think Russia is, to some degree, trying to tone it down.
Why? They had weapons and their religious nuts, besides CS doesn't actually kill anyone unless it displaces all the oxygen. The police would have them out before then.
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:00 am
by sunnyside
Cpl Kendall wrote:
Why? They had weapons and their religious nuts, besides CS doesn't actually kill anyone unless it displaces all the oxygen. The police would have them out before then.
True but it isn't reliable. And you could lose some police. Rushing armed people is usually a last resort if they don't have hostiges or anything. Especially if they haven't done anything illegal yet or only if they've broken minor laws.
Plus it was having an effect as people started coming out over time.
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 1:32 am
by Tsukiyumi
What exactly were they doing wrong that justifies using gas on them? That kind of overly oppressive BS is what makes people want to take to the mountains with guns to begin with. If they own the land, and, as sunnyside mentioned, they don't have hostages or break any laws, how is it the government's business to go "drag them out"?
Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:14 am
by sunnyside
Well they had some kids and stuff so there would have been some ground for child endangerment with the caves collapsing. But yeah no reason to go in hard after these people.
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:31 pm
by Teaos
I suppose the cave idea came from all the nuclear warfare aducation given in the 60's that says get under ground somehow.
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:27 pm
by Mikey
Or the old air-raid drills, in which children were told to protect themselves from a nuclear fireball by hiding under a wooden desk.
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:53 pm
by Tsukiyumi
The "Duck and Cover" video is pretty funny. I'll see if I can't dig that up. All it would do is make counting casualties easier, as the piles of ash wouldn't be all mixed together...
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:28 pm
by Aaron
Mikey wrote:Or the old air-raid drills, in which children were told to protect themselves from a nuclear fireball by hiding under a wooden desk.
Well that and the fact that people have been living and sheltering in caves since before recorded history. Though it was entertaining to spend a few minutes a day in school staring at the bottom of my desk.
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:51 am
by Teaos
Maybe they tell you to hide under your desk so that if the room collapses on you you can survive for days on all the old gum under there.
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:54 am
by Mikey
I always thought it was to add kindling - nobody wants to go slowly, you know.