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USA accidentaly sells nuke components

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:54 am
by Sionnach Glic
Pentagon Admits Mistake in Arms Shipment
By LOLITA C. BALDOR - 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) - The U.S. military's mistaken delivery to Taiwan of electrical fuses for an intercontinental ballistic missile raised concerns Tuesday over U.S.-China relations and triggered a broad investigation into the security of Pentagon weapons.

While the shipment did not include nuclear materials, the error is particularly sensitive because China vehemently opposes U.S. arms sales to Taiwan. Four of the cone-shaped fuses were shipped to Taiwanese officials in fall 2006 instead of the helicopter batteries they had ordered.

Despite quarterly checks of the inventory, defense officials said they never knew the fuses were gone. Only after months of discussions with Taiwan over the missing batteries did the Pentagon finally realize - late last week - the gravity of what had happened.

Once the error was discovered, the military quickly recovered the four fuses. How it happened, and whether the incident constitutes a violation of any treaty or agreement governing international sales of missile technology, were lingering questions.

At a hastily called news conference Tuesday, Ryan Henry, the No. 2 policy official in Defense Secretary Robert Gates' office, said President Bush as well as Chinese leaders were informed of the mistake - an error Henry called intolerable.

"I can not emphasize forcefully enough how strong the secretary feels about this matter and how disconcerting it is to him," Henry told reporters. He added that in an organization the size of the Defense Department there will be mistakes, but that "they cannot be tolerated in the arena in strategic systems, whether they are nuclear or only associated equipment, as was in this case."

In a comment directed at the Chinese concerns, Henry said the error does not suggest that U.S. policies on arms sales to Taiwan have changed.

Taiwan, which split from China amid civil war in 1949, is the most sensitive issue in U.S.-China relations. Chinese officials repeatedly complained about U.S. arms sales to Taiwan during meetings with Gates in Beijing last fall. The U.S. insists it only provides weapons that would allow Taiwan to defend itself.

Beijing claims Taiwan as its own and has threatened to attack should the self-governing island make its de facto independence formal. Washington has hinted that it would go to war to protect Taiwan.

The nearly two-year saga of the fuse shipment began in August 2006.

According to Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne, the fuses, contained in four large shipping containers, had been sent from F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming to a Defense Logistics Agency warehouse at Hill Air Force Base in Utah. The containers apparently ended up in an unclassified area, rather than a classified section where they belonged.

In August 2006, the cylindrical containers - measuring nearly 33 inches high and almost 19 inches in diameter - were sent to the government of Taiwan. There they were placed in storage, U.S. officials said.

At some point in 2007 - exactly when is not clear - Wynne said that Taiwanese authorities notified U.S. officials that they did not get the batteries they had ordered. Discussions ensued for months, during which, "we, on our side, thought we were talking about different sorts of batteries. There was an effort to resolve and to reimburse them," said Henry.

Finally, late last week, U.S. military officials realized what had been shipped to Taiwan and worked immediately to get the fuses back. They have now been recovered.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said Bush "appreciates that they are taking action, and that there is a full investigation underway."

Asked whether Bush still has confidence in Air Force leadership, Perino said: "Yes, yes he does."

F.E. Warren spokesman Sgt. Kurt Arkenberg said it appeared that no one at the Cheyenne, Wyo., base was responsible for the mix-up.

Arkenberg said Hill is a repository for new and used aircraft and missile components, and parts are routinely shipped between there and F.E. Warren.

Col. Mike Morgan, commander of the 90th Space Wing at F.E. Warren, said in a statement that the Wyoming base has "stringent accountability procedures in place" for shipments to the Utah base.

Henry said that if the incident is a violation of any treaty or agreement, it was unintentional.

"We are being totally transparent. We have corrected the situation," he said. "The United States stands up to its treaty obligations and we're dealing with this in the most straightforward manner we can."

Christopher Hill, U.S. assistant secretary of state for East Asia, said the Chinese have been briefed by U.S. officials in Washington and Beijing.

"We told them what happened, because this was obviously an accident," Hill said after a speech in Washington. "We've been very transparent with them about what happened."

Gates has ordered a full investigation, and in a memo Tuesday he put Navy Adm. Kirkland H. Donald in charge and asked that Donald report back with an initial assessment by April 15.

Henry said an examination of the site in Taiwan where the components had been stored after delivery indicated that they had not been tampered with. He said the components were "quite dated," as part of a system designed in the 1960s.

The Chinese Embassy did not immediately respond to a request for comment. A Taiwan official said Tuesday that the island's diplomats in Washington typically do not comment on Defense Department matters.

The fuses were manufactured for use on a Minuteman strategic nuclear missile and are linked to the triggering mechanism in the nose cone, but they contain no nuclear materials.

This is the second nuclear-related mistake involving the military in recent months. Last August an Air Force B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and flown from Minot Air Force Base, N.D., to Barksdale Air Force Base, La. At the time, the pilot and crew were unaware they had nuclear arms aboard.
Okay, how the hell do you mistakenly sell pieces of nuclear missiles to another country, and how the hell do you not find out for two freaking years!?! :shock: :x

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:43 am
by RK_Striker_JK_5
Good friggin' LORD!

That's beyond incompetent, beyond stupid.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:11 am
by Sionnach Glic
It makes you wonder what else they don't know they've lost. :roll:

Of course, this isn't exactly without precedent. During the Cold War, the US lost 11 nuclear warheads. As in; they went missing and were never found again.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:17 am
by Graham Kennedy
We're talking about fuses here. Are nuclear fuses somehow different and special compared to normal everyday fuses? Or is this like shipping people a set of bolts from a nuclear missile, where it basically doesn't matter because, hey, it's just a bolt.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:21 am
by Captain Seafort
Can't say I'm hugely surprised. Bureaucracies loose stuff all the time, although it's usually information rather than metre-tall containers. All that needs to happen is for a bit of paperwork to get misfiled, and vast amounts of kit disappears into thin air. There's no fundamental difference from a bureaucratic perspective between a baked-bean tin and a nuclear warhead.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:24 am
by Captain Seafort
GrahamKennedy wrote:We're talking about fuses here. Are nuclear fuses somehow different and special compared to normal everyday fuses? Or is this like shipping people a set of bolts from a nuclear missile, where it basically doesn't matter because, hey, it's just a bolt.
I think they're talking about the type of fuses you get in detonators rather than the type you put in a plug. I'm not sure exactly how they work - radar I think, and they have to withstand the shock of liftoff and rentry. Not the sort of thing you'd want a hostile power getting hold of.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:29 am
by Aaron
GrahamKennedy wrote:We're talking about fuses here. Are nuclear fuses somehow different and special compared to normal everyday fuses? Or is this like shipping people a set of bolts from a nuclear missile, where it basically doesn't matter because, hey, it's just a bolt.
Yes they are, fuses for nuclear weapons are in the "super-quick" category. Meaning they are triggered very quickly (duh) and technically very difficult to make as they all have to go off at once in order to create a nuclear detonation. Their so advanced that despite practically every first (and a fair bit of second) world countries having the means to build nukes, they get hung up on the fuses.

That said, these are from the sixties for a decommissioned missile. They are long obselete, for the US anyways. I'm sure North Korea would love to have them, it would give them a clue on how to make a nuke that wasn't a dud.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:57 am
by Graham Kennedy
I find it really hard to believe that these fuses are that hard to make. The US could do it in the 40s for Pete's sake.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:02 pm
by Aaron
GrahamKennedy wrote:I find it really hard to believe that these fuses are that hard to make. The US could do it in the 40s for Pete's sake.
It's the timing that's hard to nail down. Those where also "gun-type" nukes, not the more modern type where explosives are arranged around the fissile material and set off to compress it to critical mass. Gun-type warheads just smash together the material, easier to make but higher dud rate and less power.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:50 pm
by Deepcrush
Most government equipment is tracked by a number. If these were classified or marked as such then no one would have checked on them. Everyone would have done everything possible to get these things on there way and off of their own hands.

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a23r4769lbm

Which is the nuke, and which is off of my toilet paper roll?

Once these things were misordered they were gone. No one was going to stop them for a check. I want to know who the hell FOUND that they were missing? Someone from the DoD should have been watching these.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:57 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Maybe I'm missing it, but that sounds like a really stupid way of recording things.
Could they not have just put down "nuke fuse #7632" instead? That would at least help make sure things like this don't happen.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:00 pm
by Deepcrush
Maybe I'm missing it, but that sounds like a really stupid way of recording things.
Could they not have just put down "nuke fuse #7632" instead? That would at least help make sure things like this don't happen.
Because this would first make sense and second it would make them no longer classified.

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:37 pm
by Sionnach Glic
Because this would first make sense
I knew it! The Federation is just the future incarnation of the USA! :o
and second it would make them no longer classified.
If they want to keep it classified, could they not just label them as toilet rolls, or something, rather than giving them a ridiculously complex code?

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:45 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Deepcrush wrote:
774ksl91139
a23r4769lbm

Which is the nuke, and which is off of my toilet paper roll?
The second one is the nuke

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:00 pm
by Mikey
Rochey wrote:If they want to keep it classified, could they not just label them as toilet rolls, or something, rather than giving them a ridiculously complex code?
Then some assembly plant somewhere would be trying to fit toilet paper rolls into the detonation mechanism of an ICBM. :lol: