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Deepcrush wrote:Guy A, four million left... okay and what??? Should I feel bad for you that he's not feeding your kids because you can't do the job on your own?

Guy B, forty thousand left... again why should that bother me? Thats more then I make and I live well enough at least by my standards. If you've got two adults in a household you've got $80,000 a year which is more then enough to support a two adult/two child home.

Boy, you couldn't find the point around here with both hands and a bloodhound. It doesn't matter how any of this relates to you, and nobody gives a rat's ass how you - or anyone - feels about these two hypothetical people. The point is only this - the flat tax in the example is inconvenient to one, and royally f***s the other. EOS.

Why are we still arguing about it? Let's just agree that Deepcrush is a man with his own opinion, and he will luckily never ever get close to a Public Office that has any tax authority.

Deepcrush wrote:

Tsukiyumi wrote:

Deepcrush wrote:...If you're that hard out on money then apply for financial aid, thats what its for.

Sorry, dude. No dice. I applied for several types and was turned down because I can't afford to see a doctor. Honestly, my mom is dead because we couldn't afford to see a doctor. Financial aid might be a valid option for some people, but not everyone.

Under the very system you're supporting, so the dice problem is yours. With a varied tax system you also get a varied output. The less you pay in the less you get out. But thats what you guys are asking for so I guess its the outcome you wanted right? (thats sarcasm)

That is simply not true. I live under such a system and what you earn and pay in tax has no affect on what you get in the way of benefits.

Mikey wrote:Boy, you couldn't find the point around here with both hands and a bloodhound. It doesn't matter how any of this relates to you, and nobody gives a rat's ass how you - or anyone - feels about these two hypothetical people. The point is only this - the flat tax in the example is inconvenient to one, and royally f***s the other. EOS.

Hey, its not my fault you have to beg someone to take care of your family for you. Take your blame to a mirror.

SolkaTruesilver wrote:Why are we still arguing about it? Let's just agree that Deepcrush is a man with his own opinion, and he will luckily never ever get close to a Public Office that has any tax authority.

Yet again you post for the pure point of seeing your name in a thread. At this rate you'll be a mod in no time.

IanKennedy wrote:That is simply not true. I live under such a system and what you earn and pay in tax has no affect on what you get in the way of benefits.

Minus your system is designed around such costs and factors out health care and long term services that ours doesn't.

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Why don't we just agree to disagree on this since we'll never see eye to eye. You guys see me as rude and uncaring... I see you a slacking beggars... and truth be told I don't think any of us will change our view points on this.

Deepcrush wrote:Hey, its not my fault you have to beg someone to take care of your family for you. Take your blame to a mirror.

IDK what's funnier - the fact that you think this is the case, the fact that you think you have a clue what you're talking about, or the fact that you think this has any bearing on the conversation. Since you know so much, I guess there's some other reason why you haven't answered the question about entitlements under a flat-tax system, or the issue of reduced federal levies from the wealthiest sectors under such a system because of the shunting of payable assets to fall under the category of capital gains.

Deepcrush wrote:Minus your system is designed around such costs and factors out health care and long term services that ours doesn't.

Actually, Ian's system is designed specifically - unlike ours - to factor in health care and other such services.

Deepcrush wrote:Why don't we just agree to disagree on this since we'll never see eye to eye. You guys see me as rude and uncaring... I see you a slacking beggars... and truth be told I don't think any of us will change our view points on this.

Well, you got one thing right.

Mikey wrote:Actually, Ian's system is designed specifically - unlike ours - to factor in health care and other such services.

Yeah, that idea was covered in my post. Good job reading by the way...

Mikey wrote:IDK what's funnier - the fact that you think this is the case, the fact that you think you have a clue what you're talking about, or the fact that you think this has any bearing on the conversation. Since you know so much, I guess there's some other reason why you haven't answered the question about entitlements under a flat-tax system, or the issue of reduced federal levies from the wealthiest sectors under such a system because of the shunting of payable assets to fall under the category of capital gains.

Been there, done that... just like the post above go back and read. That or just shut up, really... if handling your family issues is such a big deal then stick the kid back in the oven and tell it to wait while daddy grows a pair. I've heard every excuse from you and the welfare wannabes on here and it still changes nothing. You want people to pay more because they have more. Well you get that out of a percentage too. If I make it back from the next ship out and come home with a good paycheck then why should I have to dish out more of it because a couple of lazy shits like you don't feel like earning their keep? Fuck that, if you guys can't make your way without having to leach off of others then we're better with letting you starve just as IK was talking about.

Oh, I get you know - you think that because I am arguing for something, then I must personally be taking advantage of that thing. Now your feeble little insults make a bit more sense, even if they're still wrong.

Anyway, as to your question "why," it's already been explained. Nice job reading, BTW, and writing - considering that you said Ian's system factored something "out" when you apparently meant to say "in." Those two terms are close, though... for direct opposites.

Like you said, you're gonna think how you think, despite demonstrations to the contrary, and I'm gonna think how I do, because it makes sense. I honestly can't force myself to care about your opinion enough anymore to keep beating my head against a wall.

Wow, what sad piece of shit you are. Something doesn't fit those jew senses of yours and you throw a fit like a stuck pig. Be proud, you've done such a credit to continue building such a lovely stereotype for yourself.

Come to think of it, someone should just lock this thread already.

Deepcrush wrote:Wow, what sad piece of s**t you are. Something doesn't fit those jew senses of yours and you throw a fit like a stuck pig. Be proud, you've done such a credit to continue building such a lovely stereotype for yourself.

You think that is throwing a fit?

Get over yourself. The only one begging is you. We already have a progressive tax system, so those who have been in support of it can't possibly be begging for it.

God, you dumbshits need to read the post the whole way through before talking. Its nice to see you've all run the way of solka and monroe with debates but if you're not going to add anything useful just don't get involved.

This whole thread ceased being useful about two pages ago... maybe even farther back.

I read all of Mikey's post (and yours), and honest, I've seen bigger "fits" thrown by patients in a vegetative state.

And as for this:

I've heard every excuse from you and the welfare wannabes on here and it still changes nothing.

AFAIK, Tsu is the only regular here on welfare, and thats due to him not being able to work most jobs.

We aren't asking for government handouts. Don't need to. The handouts are already here and free for the taking (well, sort of).

Its kinda funny (and sad) that every time you don't agree with something someone says, you claim they aren't "reading the post". Lame evasion tactic.

Bullshit, the whole issue started because I've said things and you guys COMPLETELY ignore it. The whole deal started just because I believe in fair and equal taxation. Then you pussies started with the soobing. You're friend who can't figure out google, Mikey and how he can't afford his own kids and Tsu about his mom. I didn't start any of that, I just stated that I believe taxes should be based by percent. Again, if you've got nothing useful to add go run along and bother someone else.

Deepcrush wrote:Come to think of it, someone should just lock this thread already.

Yep.