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Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:05 pm
by Graham Kennedy
Deepcrush wrote:Well again when it comes to Data - what was the intent of it? Was it a writer or actor or screen test mistake?
With Data the intent changed. They originally didn't care about contractions, but in Datalore they decided it was a subtle way of making Data a bit less Human, so they introduced the rule. He's flubbed since then, most likely when the writer or Brent forgot and nobody caught it.
It's pretty clear, though, that Data isn't
supposed to be able to use contractions. They not only avoid it most times, but as I said earlier they have made it a significant plot point in at least three episodes.
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:08 pm
by Mikey
I'm not even debating that point, and in general I'm inclined to agree with you, GK - we know that Data can't use contractions. The fact of the matter is that he did, even if he didn't or can't; now, how do we have common ground to discuss the issue if I heard it happen, and you say it didn't happen because it couldn't happen?
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:08 pm
by Deepcrush
With Data the intent changed. They originally didn't care about contractions, but in Datalore they decided it was a subtle way of making Data a bit less Human, so they introduced the rule. He's flubbed since then, most likely when the writer or Brent forgot and nobody caught it.
It's pretty clear, though, that Data isn't supposed to be able to use contractions. They not only avoid it most times, but as I said earlier they have made it a significant plot point in at least three episodes.
Then it was an OOU mistake that was part of recon which caused a bit of trouble.
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:34 pm
by Graham Kennedy
Mikey wrote:I'm not even debating that point, and in general I'm inclined to agree with you, GK - we know that Data can't use contractions. The fact of the matter is that he did, even if he didn't or can't; now, how do we have common ground to discuss the issue if I heard it happen, and you say it didn't happen because it couldn't happen?
Well since you agree that he can't, we simply say "when he did it was just a mistake, so we'll agree that it doesn't count and that if this actually were a documentary of real events he would have said it differently."
And then we get on with our lives, noting happily that the sky is not in fact falling around us after all as a result.
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:02 pm
by Mikey
I guess. I can't as easily dismiss the idea that I choose to view the show as an immersive fictional environment, and that what is presented "really" happened within the paradigm of that fictional milieu.
Oh well. Ow! *looks up* What the hell was that?
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:49 pm
by Graham Kennedy
Well, as far as I am concerned the ultimate truth of it is this.
IT'S JUST A TV SHOW!!!!!! IT'S NOT REAL!!!!!
And that's my last word
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:04 pm
by Lazar
I suppose the Data contraction issue is a case where Shatner's "get a life" dictum would apply.
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:13 pm
by m52nickerson
Lazar wrote:I suppose the Data contraction issue is a case where Shatner's "get a life" dictum would apply.
[sarcasm]....but....but........it is canon........[/sarcasm]
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:54 pm
by Mikey
m52nickerson wrote:Lazar wrote:I suppose the Data contraction issue is a case where Shatner's "get a life" dictum would apply.
[sarcasm]....but....but........it is canon........[/sarcasm]
Both true, and one doesn't preclude the other. I expect there's a joke in there somewhere?
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:37 pm
by Deepcrush
Topics like this make me want to kick people. Or maybe its the headache, don't know don't care.
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:39 pm
by Graham Kennedy
Deepcrush wrote:Topics like this make me want to kick people. Or maybe its the headache, don't know don't care.
I suspect it's the fact that you're alive and conscious that makes you want to kick people.
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:58 pm
by Deepcrush
More like other people are alive I would gather... But that could just be me...
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:15 pm
by Tsukiyumi
Mikey wrote:I'm not even debating that point, and in general I'm inclined to agree with you, GK - we know that Data can't use contractions. The fact of the matter is that he did, even if he didn't or can't; now, how do we have common ground to discuss the issue if I heard it happen, and you say it didn't happen because it couldn't happen?
Software glitch? Maybe he forgot to install his latest service pack.
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:18 pm
by m52nickerson
.....or upgraded to vista!
Re: Visuals vs dialogue
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:18 pm
by Lazar
Imagine if Data had been built by Microsoft...
