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Mark wrote:
This is a HUGE suposition, but I'm still trying to force some sense into my own head as to Plasma weapons, Phase Pistols, Lasers, then back to Phasers. I just can't get past it.

Phase Pistols aren't Phasers dangit!

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:

Mark wrote:
This is a HUGE suposition, but I'm still trying to force some sense into my own head as to Plasma weapons, Phase Pistols, Lasers, then back to Phasers. I just can't get past it.

Phase Pistols aren't Phasers dangit!

I agree. I already suggested that once before. I suggested that they are two similar yet different techs, and that the phase pistol was a VERY primitive version of the phaser and was abandoned for the laser for some reason or other, only to be re-visited after a few decades when the tech was perfected.

Mark wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:

Mark wrote:
This is a HUGE suposition, but I'm still trying to force some sense into my own head as to Plasma weapons, Phase Pistols, Lasers, then back to Phasers. I just can't get past it.

Phase Pistols aren't Phasers dangit!

I agree. I already suggested that once before. I suggested that they are two similar yet different techs, and that the phase pistol was a VERY primitive version of the phaser and was abandoned for the laser for some reason or other, only to be re-visited after a few decades when the tech was perfected.

I say those aren't lasers. Lasers don't vaporize people.

I don't remember anyone getting vaporised in The Cage. Could you point out when that happened.

stitch626 wrote:I don't remember anyone getting vaporised in The Cage. Could you point out when that happened.

In the episode where Nurse Chapel's boyfriend is running with all those androids. A cage style laser pistol vaped some of the andriods. Hey, maybe that was just unique for the androids? Like their power supply going and they just vape?

stitch626 wrote:I don't remember anyone getting vaporised in The Cage. Could you point out when that happened.

I'm not sure if it was in "The Cage", but that wasn't the only time they used these "Lasers". There were two "Laser" pistols seen in the Original Series' first and second pilot "Where No Man has Gone Before" and the first-season episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" You can see two characters being vaporized in the second picture.

Ah, one of the eps I haven't had a chance to see yet. I'm sure someone will come up with a good reason, besides FX error.

VERY simple answer. They look similar, is all. The weapons in "The Cage," however, were specifically called lasers in onscreen dialogue.

COULD a laser, set to full power vaporise someone? Or like I said, could it have been the androids power cores detonating that vaporised them?

Mikey wrote:VERY simple answer. They look similar, is all. The weapons in "The Cage," however, were specifically called lasers in onscreen dialogue.

Here is the Laser Pistol from "The Cage"


The weapon is virtually identical to the other example I provided. According to Occum's Razor the most logical conclusion is that the weapons are of the same type.

Or possibly an upgraded model?

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:The weapon is virtually identical to the other example I provided. According to Occum's Razor the most logical conclusion is that the weapons are of the same type.

No, Occam's Razor states that the preferred hypothesis is the simplest one which fits the known facts. One of the facts in this case is that the similar-looking weapons have different effects, so the idea that they are the same weapons is rejected by Occam's Razor.

Mikey wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:The weapon is virtually identical to the other example I provided. According to Occum's Razor the most logical conclusion is that the weapons are of the same type.

No, Occam's Razor states that the preferred hypothesis is the simplest one which fits the known facts. One of the facts in this case is that the similar-looking weapons have different effects, so the idea that they are the same weapons is rejected by Occam's Razor.

One of the facts in this case is that weapons are virtually identical, therefore there is no reason to assume they are different. Assuming they are different weapon types adds an unknown factor. Occam's razor is on my side.

I appreciate what you're saying, but you missed an important bit.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:One of the facts in this case is that weapons are virtually identical, therefore there is no reason to assume they are different.

No - one of the facts is that the weapons LOOK virtually identical. One of the other facts is that they aren't the same, because we SEE them doing different things. Empirical evidence is not an assumption.

Mikey wrote:I appreciate what you're saying, but you missed an important bit.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:One of the facts in this case is that weapons are virtually identical, therefore there is no reason to assume they are different.

No - one of the facts is that the weapons LOOK virtually identical. One of the other facts is that they aren't the same, because we SEE them doing different things. Empirical evidence is not an assumption.

The weapons look virtually identical. Because we see one having a different setting used that we didn't see being used on the other one doesn't mean that the other one doesn't have that setting, just that it didn't use that setting.