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Cause its there and he wants to get his rocks off.

Teaos wrote:Cause its there and he wants to get his rocks off.

That would make him bi then.

Cpl Kendall wrote:

Teaos wrote:I would think its mostly learned but I wouldnt be suprised to find out if it was partly genetic.

After all homosexuality is in the animal kingdom as well to no ill effects.

Do homosexual animals come from species that mate for life? When I think of homosexual animals I think of Dolphins, Bonobos, Pigeons. I would think it would not be as big a deal for a group of Chimps to replace a lost breeding pair than it would for tribal humans, the next tribe may be many days away. If they even encountered one.

I can only vaguely recall the story but sometime in the last year there was news about some zoo... I don't think it's in the U.S., I think it's in Europe, but I'm not sure. At any rate they have some bird or penguin species that mates for life and they have a gay couple. It came in handy once because I think one of the "wives" in the population died and they needed an extra couple to take care of the egg. Of course it started all kinds of b.s. protests and what not.

Yeah, I remember reading about the penguin couple. The only mammals that I can recall that mate for life are wolves, and I've never heard about homosexuality being observed.

Mikey wrote:Yeah, I remember reading about the penguin couple. The only mammals that I can recall that mate for life are wolves, and I've never heard about homosexuality being observed.

I know they have done experiments with closed-territory dog populations and what happens is once the population reaches the point where available resources can't support sustained growth, there is a marked increase in same-sex sexual activity. Whether or not this experiment involved wolves I have no idea, I just remember the generic term of dogs.

Duskofdead wrote:

Mikey wrote:Yeah, I remember reading about the penguin couple. The only mammals that I can recall that mate for life are wolves, and I've never heard about homosexuality being observed.

I know they have done experiments with closed-territory dog populations and what happens is once the population reaches the point where available resources can't support sustained growth, there is a marked increase in same-sex sexual activity. Whether or not this experiment involved wolves I have no idea, I just remember the generic term of dogs.

That actually makes evolutionary sense. Canines are not monogamous, however.

Duskofdead wrote:
I know they have done experiments with closed-territory dog populations and what happens is once the population reaches the point where available resources can't support sustained growth, there is a marked increase in same-sex sexual activity. Whether or not this experiment involved wolves I have no idea, I just remember the generic term of dogs.

Hmmm. This doesn't seem to work in humans as we eat plenty here in the US and I don't think our homosexuality rate is lower than, say, someplace in Africa. Though I guess that might not be the trigger.

sunnyside wrote:

Duskofdead wrote:
I know they have done experiments with closed-territory dog populations and what happens is once the population reaches the point where available resources can't support sustained growth, there is a marked increase in same-sex sexual activity. Whether or not this experiment involved wolves I have no idea, I just remember the generic term of dogs.

Hmmm. This doesn't seem to work in humans as we eat plenty here in the US and I don't think our homosexuality rate is lower than, say, someplace in Africa. Though I guess that might not be the trigger.

It is possible that social and cultural considerations come into account as well, in the case of humans, since our "survival" paradigm is not merely a matter of eat drink and be merry in an animal sense. In first world countries the population growth rate tends to drastically decrease because as the standard of living increases, the expectation of maintaining that standard of living both for one's self and one's children correspondingly increases. That is why in many first world countries you tend to see the native growth rate approach zero (replacement only) or even negative population growth. In a lot of first world countries the population only grows because of immigration, not because of native birth rates. So on the one hand you see a "social" form of reproduction control (if you want your kids to go to college, you don't have 20 of them) and on the other you see a natural form (homosexuality.)

My mother's dog was homosexual. Kept humping another female dog. And she did have the option of a guy dog so...

Canines are not monogamous, however

Actually, there are a few spieces of dogs that do mate for life with only one partner. The Tazmanian Tiger was one, though they are now extinct.

was that a member of genus canis?

Now I'm not sure anymore, it looks like a dog.
I will check right now.

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Sorry, it isn't.
It actually is a marsupial (shocked me).

Slightly related, does anyone know the official percentage of homosexual people? I heard the figure 3% once.

Teaos wrote:Slightly related, does anyone know the official percentage of homosexual people? I heard the figure 3% once.

I have no idea how they'd come up with an accurate "official" number since even in anonymous settings, a lot of people would lie if asked the question. It's probably less than 10% but I think 3 is really low, personally.

Yah you ill never get the exact number since children wont know for sure and other may lie about it. But has anyone heard the offical numbers from the last census in their area? I'm pretty sure ours was 3%.

Which thinking about it seems to fit. They say the average person can at any point in their life put a face to a name for 200 people. So everyone should know 6 gay people. The exact number I know personally.