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Captain Seafort wrote:
Quite frankly, Horta crew fall into the same category as "3 million clones" - abject stupidity on the part of the writers.

WTF? When the hell did Star Trek have 3 million clones?

Easy answer: they couldn't. It's like speculating about how an elephant could balance on a toothpick.

Well, that's just a lousy comparison. Why would you want an elephant to balance on a toothpick(which, FYI you could do by lowering the gravity and having a well trained elephant)?

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:WTF? When the hell did Star Trek have 3 million clones?

Not 'Trek, 'Wars. Specifically in the personnal interpretation of 'Wars by one Karen Traviss. Search her name on the forum and you'll find all you'll ever need to know.

Well, that's just a lousy comparison. Why would you want an elephant to balance on a toothpick

Why would you want a sentient rock on the bridge of a starship?

Captain Seafort wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:WTF? When the hell did Star Trek have 3 million clones?

Not 'Trek, 'Wars. Specifically in the personnal interpretation of 'Wars by one Karen Traviss. Search her name on the forum and you'll find all you'll ever need to know.

Oh for crying out loud.

Well, that's just a lousy comparison. Why would you want an elephant to balance on a toothpick

Why would you want a sentient rock on the bridge of a starship?

Why would you want a furless barely evolved monkey on your bridge?

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:Why would you want a furless barely evolved monkey on your bridge?

What's George Bush got to do with Star Trek?

Captain Seafort wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:Why would you want a furless barely evolved monkey on your bridge?

What's George Bush got to do with Star Trek?

I meant Humans in general

Which leaves "Uncle George" out

I meant Humans in general

Hmm, perhaps due to the fact that they're inteligent, common, one of the founding members of the Federation and well adapted to the work in question?

Rochey wrote:

I meant Humans in general

Hmm, perhaps due to the fact that they're inteligent, common, one of the founding members of the Federation and well adapted to the work in question?

Well the Horta are sapient, and since the eggs were starting to hatch at the end of the episode they'd start being more common. Any objection to them serving in Starfleet would be considered racist...or speciest I guess.

Typing that made me think of something else. Since there's no evidence of the Horta ever having Warp Drive does that mean that the miners and Kirk's crew uninteninally broke the Prime Directive?

Rochey wrote:

No reason to assume it isn't, either.

Quite true, we have nothing to suggest either way. However, there's no logic in assuming a creature goes through several major physical changes in its life, including the creation and loss of limbs, without evidence to suggest it.

There's also no logic to assuming that it does not.

OK, I have a question...
In the episode, which I have just seen, for a very brief second you can see a limb (it looks like a hand, but hard to see. At first I thought it was just part of the strandy stuff). Out of universe, this is simply the actors limb. My question, is this possible evidence of limbs on the Horta, or do we just say poor camera angle?
I'll accept any answer, I'm just curious.

stitch626 wrote:OK, I have a question...
In the episode, which I have just seen, for a very brief second you can see a limb (it looks like a hand, but hard to see. At first I thought it was just part of the strandy stuff). Out of universe, this is simply the actors limb. My question, is this possible evidence of limbs on the Horta, or do we just say poor camera angle?
I'll accept any answer, I'm just curious.

limbs!

Hmm.....that enters philosaphy. Does a mistake or accident in filming constitute cannon or no?

Mark wrote:Hmm.....that enters philosaphy. Does a mistake or accident in filming constitute cannon or no?

They had 'lasers' vaporize a person which is obviously a mistake since lasers can't do that, but the guys here call them lasers anyway considering it canon so either they go with a mistake or accident in filming constitutes canon or they'll have to admit Lasers aren't canon, making phase pistols make sense.

Captain Seafort wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:But this discussion started over non-canon material and trying to rationalize why/how the Horta are crew members in these non-canon novels, therefore there is no reason not to speculate about the non-canon material. In the opening post:

Quite frankly, Horta crew fall into the same category as "3 million clones" - abject stupidity on the part of the writers.

I liked the Horta, actually. It showed IDIC in action. And Diane Duane's novels are far from stupid. Heck, Naraht came in handy a few times.

Should we restrict Starfleet only to humanoids? I think not!

Geez....I need an aspiran already

I have lately assumed calling those older pistols "lasers" is similar to calling firearms "guns". A VERY inexact and imprecise word which could describe anything from a flintlock to a .50 calibur machine gun. Possibly, Starfleet was going threw a phase where weapon naming precision was getting lax, and they just referred to the type of weapon category eg lasers for all beam weapons.

This is a HUGE suposition, but I'm still trying to force some sense into my own head as to Plasma weapons, Phase Pistols, Lasers, then back to Phasers. I just can't get past it.