Why do people like Kirk so much?

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Teaos wrote:
Some would say thats a fate worse than death.
I imagine they would.
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I'm gone for only two hours and look what happens :roll:

Picard-stalled the Borg by destroying a few ships
Janeway-devestated the borg with an uber-virus, destroyed dozens of their ships, and one of their six transwarp hubs
Kirk-stopped a doomsday weapon, and a giant machine ship thing that could eat ships, planets, and whatever else got in it's way.
Archer-stopped the Xindi from destroying Earth and fixed the timeline
Sisko-convinced the Prophets to eliminate an overwhelming force of 10,000 dominion ships

Hmm...ya...Picard really stands out there...not!
It's clear that he loves screwing around with him.
So? If he really respected picard he would look to him as an equal rather then someone whose life has been put in jeaperdy several times, like the first encounter with the borg or the puzzle in AGT which would've wiped out the human race.
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ChakatBlackstar wrote:
So? If he really respected picard he would look to him as an equal rather then someone whose life has been put in jeaperdy several times, like the first encounter with the borg or the puzzle in AGT which would've wiped out the human race.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:
ChakatBlackstar wrote:
So? If he really respected picard he would look to him as an equal rather then someone whose life has been put in jeaperdy several times, like the first encounter with the borg or the puzzle in AGT which would've wiped out the human race.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Oh, my bad. Thought you were saying something else
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If Q didnt respect him he would screw around with humanity a lot more.
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Teaos wrote:If Q didnt respect him he would screw around with humanity a lot more.
Evidence?

If Q genuinely respected Picard, as opposed to being impressed by him on a few occasions, he'd bugger off and leave the man in peace - as he's told told to do on numerous occasions.
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Captain Seafort wrote:
Teaos wrote:If Q didnt respect him he would screw around with humanity a lot more.
Evidence?

If Q genuinely respected Picard, as opposed to being impressed by him on a few occasions, he'd bugger off and leave the man in peace - as he's told told to do on numerous occasions.
Didn't the other Q get pissed at him specifically for screwing with humanity (and other races)?
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Tsukiyumi wrote:
Didn't the other Q get pissed at him specifically for screwing with humanity (and other races)?
Yes and that's why he had his powers stripped from him in Deja Q.
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Cpl Kendall wrote:
Teaos wrote:
Pretty much is.

He can do nearly anything he wishes. Control over time and creation... what more do you want?
I want people to stop crediting the Q with unlimited powers. We've seen that they can be killed, imprisoned, stripped of their powers and outwitted. Does that sound like a god to you?

Now a demi-god would be a better description.
Killed-by weapons CREATED BY OTHER Q.
Imprisoned-BY OTHER Q.
Stripped of their powers-BY OTHER Q.

You see the pattern here? Only other onipetent beings can even hope to HURT a Q. They are practically gods, more so at times.
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SuperSaiyaMan12 wrote:
Cpl Kendall wrote:
Teaos wrote:
Pretty much is.

He can do nearly anything he wishes. Control over time and creation... what more do you want?
I want people to stop crediting the Q with unlimited powers. We've seen that they can be killed, imprisoned, stripped of their powers and outwitted. Does that sound like a god to you?

Now a demi-god would be a better description.
Killed-by weapons CREATED BY OTHER Q.
Imprisoned-BY OTHER Q.
Stripped of their powers-BY OTHER Q.

You see the pattern here? Only other onipetent beings can even hope to HURT a Q. They are practically gods, more so at times.
But if they're omnipotent, shouldn't they be immune from punishment by other omnipotent beings?
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Teaos wrote:If Q didnt respect him he would screw around with humanity a lot more.
Its more than that. Encounter at Farpoint began Q's test of Humanity to see if they can reach beyond normal limitations, choosing Picard as the 'victim'. Essentially, all of TNG was Picard attempting to pass Q's test, and not even realizing it. You see, if he failed-humanity'd be forbidden to go beyond the stars like they have been for centuries by that time, and Q really COULD do that. In the last episode, Picard PROVED humanity can go beyond its limitations, saved LIFE, by letting amino acids be created on Earth, etc.
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No. Because omnipotence vs omnipotence will lead to the death of one being. They aren't immune to themselves, and only very FEW beings can even hope to stand against a Q. They are omnipotent, have control over time, space, etc. Can survive the BIG BANG (as proven by Quinn). Plus, they are immortal, unchanging, as Quinn proved.
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SuperSaiyaMan12 wrote:

Killed-by weapons CREATED BY OTHER Q.
Imprisoned-BY OTHER Q.
Stripped of their powers-BY OTHER Q.

You see the pattern here? Only other onipetent beings can even hope to HURT a Q. They are practically gods, more so at times.
To echo Chakat, if their omnipotent, shouldn't they be immune from the actions of other omnipotents?

And lest you forget, he was hurt by Sisko and was afraid of a bartender.
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SuperSaiyaMan12 wrote: Its more than that. Encounter at Farpoint began Q's test of Humanity to see if they can reach beyond normal limitations, choosing Picard as the 'victim'. Essentially, all of TNG was Picard attempting to pass Q's test, and not even realizing it. You see, if he failed-humanity'd be forbidden to go beyond the stars like they have been for centuries by that time, and Q really COULD do that. In the last episode, Picard PROVED humanity can go beyond its limitations, saved LIFE, by letting amino acids be created on Earth, etc.
Yeah and we can prove this wans't just an eleborate con job by Q how?

He was known as the "God of Lies" on one planet. Think about what that implies.
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SuperSaiyaMan12 wrote:No. Because omnipotence vs omnipotence will lead to the death of one being. They aren't immune to themselves, and only very FEW beings can even hope to stand against a Q. They are omnipotent, have control over time, space, etc. Can survive the BIG BANG (as proven by Quinn). Plus, they are immortal, unchanging, as Quinn proved.
You're contridicting yourself. If a being is omnipotent then they should be immune to other omnipotents. I guess it comes down to, what happens when an unstoppable force hits an unmovable object.
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