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Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
I think the idea is that we're not allowed to mess with their natural order until they mess with it first, which makes some sense I guess.

Humanity and likely any society that has agriculture has been messing with it's own evolution for thousands of years. Right about the time they domesticeted the first animal to pull a plow and reduced the importance of physical labour.

Bonus points if they practiced slavery, eugenics or genocide. Thos are all events in human history that have an enormous impact on evolution. And Trek races are basically two demensional humans with a thing on there heads.

As previously mentioned, Archer's speech in "Terra Prime".

Also, Archer at the Drive-thru in "Carpenter Street" was good.

Varthikes wrote:Also, Archer at the Drive-thru in "Carpenter Street" was good.

It may have been nice to watch, but the term "Greatest moment" would seem to call for something of greater importance.

The fact that I am alive and have access to a treatment for diabetes is a testament to our evolution, not an attempt to sidestep it. What is the practical difference between having evolved a natural immunity or defense to diabetes, or having evolved a race including people who are able to devise treatments? One of our big advantages has been the ability to use tools (although this has been proven to be by no menas exclusive.) I don't really see that as being different in an evolutionary sense to being able to use scientific/medical solutions rather than innate physical attributes.

In any case, the only way that the concern for the evolutionary future of the Menk in that ep would be a valid reason, rather than a pitiful excuse for passive genocide, would be if Phlox a/o Archer had perfect omniscience and could see exactly what the evolutionary path of the Menk were to be millenia into the future. The Menk could very well have been an evolutionary dead end, fated to become extinct in 500 years.

Mikey wrote:The fact that I am alive and have access to a treatment for diabetes is a testament to our evolution, not an attempt to sidestep it. What is the practical difference between having evolved a natural immunity or defense to diabetes, or having evolved a race including people who are able to devise treatments? One of our big advantages has been the ability to use tools (although this has been proven to be by no menas exclusive.) I don't really see that as being different in an evolutionary sense to being able to use scientific/medical solutions rather than innate physical attributes.

In any case, the only way that the concern for the evolutionary future of the Menk in that ep would be a valid reason, rather than a pitiful excuse for passive genocide, would be if Phlox a/o Archer had perfect omniscience and could see exactly what the evolutionary path of the Menk were to be millenia into the future. The Menk could very well have been an evolutionary dead end, fated to become extinct in 500 years.

As an aside, I have a book, "Survival of the Sickest," which details how diseases like diabetes could have been adaptive for our ancestors (I haven't read it yet) ISBN 978-006-088965-4

Captain Picard's Hair wrote:

Varthikes wrote:Also, Archer at the Drive-thru in "Carpenter Street" was good.

It may have been nice to watch, but the term "Greatest moment" would seem to call for something of greater importance.

Not necessarily. People voted Picard's best man speech from Nemesis as his greatest moment, after all.

GrahamKennedy wrote:
Not necessarily. People voted Picard's best man speech from Nemesis as his greatest moment, after all.

Your shitting me, on this board?

GrahamKennedy wrote:Not necessarily. People voted Picard's best man speech from Nemesis as his greatest moment, after all.

Eh? Who? When? The DITL poll gave his First Contact speech as the best.

On topic,

When Archer was nailing Sato.

I don't mean it won, I mean it was a nominee and some people voted for it.

I'm not sure which episode it was in (sorry guys) but the first time he actually WON a fight

Mark wrote:I'm not sure which episode it was in (sorry guys) but the first time he actually WON a fight

"Zero Hour", I think - Tsu mentioned it back on page 1.

Deepcrush wrote:On topic,

When Archer was nailing Sato.

I totally agree. Except, that was mirror-Archer. Does this poll include both?

He's still Archer, just a better smarter faster more cunning and hot chick banging one.

There are more "Archer's Greatest" moments in that two-parter than the rest of Enterprise combined.