Federation wrote:As the Cardassian ambassador points out our plan does not in anyway conflict with the Cardassian one in almost all respects. Given the demands of the Cardassian Union and our equally inflexible demand that the Tzenkethi leadership be placed on trial for their crimes it was clear there would be no government left to see to the needs of the people. The Federation agreed to step in and provide such stability and reformation as was necessary given the removal of most top government officials.
Stability and reformation that could have been provided by the Cardassian Union, unless of course you were expecting us to decapitate their government, remove their militaries, and then just leave them to swing. That would be a bit cold hearted even for us.
Federation wrote:At the point at which the Federation delivered its demand to the Tzenkethi and it was accepted they had already issued the order (which the Federation has made the Union aware of in an attempt to allow them to head off further loss of life if possible and has offered further assistance in stopping if the Union wishes to request it). They could not possibly have known of our intentions thus any implication that they planned to us this as "cover" for their strike are quite false.
Do you honestly believe that it might not have influenced their rapid acceptence of your demands? They decide to die in a blaze of glory but then you come along and offer them what have must seemed like a miracle? Further more the next most troubling question is why after learning of their attack, which is obviously an act of war, you proceeded on with this proposal at all? At the very least put final ratification on hold until consulting with the nation the Tzenkethi had just declared war on.
Federation wrote:The fact of that matter is that whatever the situation, be it total disarmament by the Union or the destruction of their fleet in a suicidal raid, the Tzenkethi were going to be left without a government and the region would fall into chaos in short order. The Federation has elected to take measures to ensure that does not happen. We see no other alternative but a bloody Cardassian occupation which would benefit none of the three powers in question. Our proposal will bring the issue to the quickest and least costly end regardless of the outcome of any raid.
Where are these assumptions coming from? A "bloody Cardassian occupation?" Nothing in our stated course of action reads occuption. Our goal was to immediately halt the conflict, prevent either side from attempting reprisals, seperate them, hold their leadership accountable, and provide security while new leadership took power. Perhapse we had not outlined the entire plan in detail but our first priorty was to halt the bloodshed. Do you honestly think everyone else incapable of aiding another nation in forming a working government? Your own track record in the last few decades isn't particularly stellar in that regards.
Federation wrote:As for the contention that the vessels presumably comprising the Tzenkethi fleets are now Federation ships we find this suggestion unreasonable. The Federation has neither comissioned the vessels into its service nor will it. The ships will be taken into possession by Starfleet and scrapped. The Federation takes no responsibility for the actions of the Tzenkethi government and has explicitly condemed these actions both in public and in private. An agreement was reached that whatever the outcome of the actions of the Tzenkethi fleet will spare further suffering to both the Tzenkethi and any power attempting to occupy them alike.
So you intend the Tzenkethi to not be held accountable for their actions and simultaneously abrogate any responsibility for the actions of your new member worlds? You honestly expect the Union to simply accept an attack by over two thousand warships and do nothing in response? You chose to accept the Tzenkethi into your Federation, even after finding out about this attack you continued to move forward with their acceptance. You do not get to pick and choose the good parts to take while disavoing the bad. If you want the Tzenkethi in your Federation then you'll accept them in whole and their last act as a nation was to instigate a war with the Cardassian Union.
Federation wrote:What the Federation proposes will acheive by the stroke of a pen what might take millions or billions more lives to acheive with military force. A new democratic government and constitution will be put in place and the Tzenkethi will be closely monitored to ensure such actions do not occur in the future. This seems vastly preferrable to a series of highly costly invasions.
The only reason there will be a loss of life is because rather than standing their military down the Tzenkethi chose to instigate a war. Had the Tzenkethi stood their military down and accepted the terms that are functionally little different from what we proposed, aside from the fact that the Union never intended to annex them like the Federation has done, this situation would already be well on its way to resolved.
Federation wrote:Instead the Tholian's and the Cardassian's elected to sell to one side high tech warships (and presumably the Union allowed the passage of several thousand ships procured from the Tholians into the combat zone) and in the process made things immensly worse for all parties. Then to compound it all the ships were sold as is with cloaks and all so that no one really knows where they have gone.
Firstly, the Union did not permit the passage of the Tholian warships. We were not consulted on their sale or their passage. Had we known of those ships we would have halted our sale of warships to the Tzenkethi as it would have been superfulous. We are currently investigating exactly how the Tholian ships made it to Tzenkethi space as they most certainly did not have authorization to traverse Cardassian space.
As for our own sale, the Tzenkethi had just been devestated in the Talarian sneak attack. We offered our vessels as a way to provide them with some capability to defend themselves while rebuilding their navy.
Federation wrote:It strikes us as more than slightly ironic that a power which sold some ships and allowed thousands of others to pass into the warzone would now claim that a power which sold neither party anything and closed its borders to prevent exactly what is now happening is a willing accomplice in the tragedy now unfolding. If there were a means for us to stop the cloaked warships that were sold to them by outside powers we would certainly do so. We have taken all measures we can think of to get them to turn back.
We consider you accomplices because by our standards you are. If one man attacks another then has his friend drive him away from the scene the driver is not liable if he does not know about the attack. This is only reasonable. While we consider your dealings with the Tzenkethi after our establishment of a quarantine zone a breach of conduct, civility, and more than a little common sense, they are little more than annoyances. However if the driver of the get away vehicle is told of the attack and persists in helping his friend flee he is now an accomplice after the fact. Once you knew of the Tzenkethi attack on the Union you should have rescended your offer. If you had nothing would have come of this. However in your own self-righteous pigheadedness you insisted on pursing these actions even after knowing the Tzenkethi had declared war on the Union. You are accomplices after the fact.
Federation wrote:But the practical side of this situation is this. There would not be a problem if the ships had not be sold in the first place.
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Federation wrote:More than that being that there is little more anyone can practically do about what is now unfolding the question logically becomes how to acheive peace in the most expedient manner. Our proposal will bring peace and security to the area without further loss of life where the only alternative is either to see a collapsed Tzekethi state or an area occupied after bloody invasions on the part of the Union. It seems to us that quite enough lives have been lost in this symphony of stupidity on the part of all participants and that it is best to end it in as expedient of manner as possible.
What "bloody invasion," are you talking about?