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-beams with pride-

Anywho, I thought the entire point of the weapons configuration was to provide as much all round coverage as is possible, to fire at any target in any direction. This thing has weapons all along the hull that will be able to take a dominiopn bug in a few shots, let alone a whole array of weapons firing on a squad of bugs. I really think the danger to the nacelles is a little over-estimated, along with the nacelle's inherent vulnerability itself.

Uh... where are the second set of nacelles? I can see the main ones and some really small ones which might be the second set. But if they are they are far far to small. One set is standard size the other is only like 20-30% smaller than the original.

The design I've been working on for how ever long its been since we finished planning is more intergrated. Everything flows into each other and is held together much more solidly.

In the write up I said this thing could ram a Borg cube and come out the other side with only a scratched paint job, a bit of an exageration but the idea is there.

Your nacelles are held on by dainty little sticks and stick out from the main body of the ship. The ships looks like it has several parts. The top looks like it could pop right off and the nacelles would blow off in a stiff breeze.

It also looks unnessesarily long. The smaller something is the less shield area it is. The last 300 meters of the ship is just a waste.

The saucer section should is much much larger also, infact it really shouldnt have a saucer section. The whole ship has an intergrated hull.

Reliant121 wrote:I can see it. I dont think its a bad design, but simply put, the nacelles are Far far FAR too short.And On the point of nacelle armour.

to short?

the primary pair of nacelles are 200m long, the second set 120m long according to the scale I used.

It also looks unnessesarily long. The smaller something is the less shield area it is. The last 300 meters of the ship is just a waste.

I scalled it according to the specifications you gave. 114m tall is 5.7 blocks on my scale, and 720m was 37.
I did think it was a little long too, but those were the specifcations I had to work with.

Your nacelles are held on by dainty little sticks and stick out from the main body of the ship

Once again, I'll point out looks can be diecieving, each one of those sticks is 15m in diameter, and theres the fact that that pair of nacelles wouldn't get touched by the cube b/c of it's positioning behind the saucer.

The saucer section should is much much larger also, infact it really shouldnt have a saucer section. The whole ship has an intergrated hull.

so your thinking more like an intrepid? what about the write up? I can't quote you perfectly but it said something like:

"4 Phase cannons sit at the for of the saucer, 2 on the dorsal, 2 on te ventral. The last one sits at the back of the saucer to cover the rear of the ship"

If I sound a little aggrivated, I'm sorry, I'm not acutally, this is simply the only way i can think to word it to mesh out all the dietails.

Lt. Staplic wrote:to short?

the primary pair of nacelles are 200m long, the second set 120m long according to the scale I used.

Exactly. The Connie's nacelles are about 150m long - half the length of the ship. Most of the fast ships - the Sov, the Prommie, etc, have a similar or only slightly smaller proportion. The Paladin could probably get away with having the nacelles shorter, given that there's four of them and it isn't a particularly fast ship, but the extra mass of the armour would compensate for that. I'd say the nacelles need to be 300-350 m long, probably towards the upper end of that range, and scaled similarly to the Sov's or Prommie's

I scalled it according to the specifications you gave. 114m tall is 5.7 blocks on my scale, and 720m was 37.
I did think it was a little long too, but those were the specifcations I had to work with.

The problem isn't the length, it's the tail - I think it could do with with altering the relative size of the saucer and engineering hull.

Once again, I'll point out looks can be diecieving, each one of those sticks is 15m in diameter, and theres the fact that that pair of nacelles wouldn't get touched by the cube b/c of it's positioning behind the saucer.

Again, the problem's one of proportions, not absolutes - those struts are about the same as the ones on the Connie. The Excelsior's pretty spindly nacelle struts are over 20m wide. The Galaxy's are over 70m wide. They're simply too small for a ship that size. They'd about do for the nacelles you've given it, but they need to be significantly increased.

so your thinking more like an intrepid? what about the write up? I can't quote you perfectly but it said something like:

"4 Phase cannons sit at the for of the saucer, 2 on the dorsal, 2 on te ventral. The last one sits at the back of the saucer to cover the rear of the ship"

That's weapons placement - it says nothing about the actual design of the ship, which I agree should be related to the Intrepid-Sov-Prommie line.

Here's to round 2

The Nacelles are thicker and longer, the struts connecting them to the ship have jumped from 15m to about 40/45 m.

I've reduced the size of the engineering hull, and poised it more behind the saucer, to give it a more Intrepid/Sov/Promme look.

Sorry, you can't see the top half of the Foreward view, I don't know how to fix it

Let's get a reaction:

Better, I think. I havent had a decent quantity of caffeine yet this morning so it is confusing me a tad...but it looks better -thumbs up-

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but I think you're missing a nacelle.

no, they are not. 2 nacelles on either side, then in the middle two above each other, the fourth you are looking for is below the ship.

yes, there's the pair comming off the side of the engieering hull, one in the middle of the engineering hull, and one beneathe the engineering hull, you can kind of see the edges on the dorsal view, if you look at the port or fore view you can see the fourth nacelle better.

I like mkII much better. Depending on shuttlebay placement, cargo, etc., I'm not sure that I'd have the tail end so tapered, but this more in keeping with what we'd discussed.

Ah, I see them now. Thank.

My HOME PC I can see Staplic's drawings, but at work I cannot!!!

It HAS to be that damn IE at work. If I switch to Ultrasurf, I can see MOST pics, but not those sketches.

But, now I can. And I'm kind of feeling it. I think your moving in the right direction, generally.

I use IE and I can see them.

That's odd........

I suspect it's your computer or connection rather than IE - I'm using it as well, and I can see the images fine.