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Captain Seafort wrote:Not quite. Against an armoured belt a torpedo or energy weapon, while it's likely to punch holes in the ship, would have to get through the belt first, reducing its effect on the ship's interior. Against windows it would get through much quicker, which would extend the effects of the explosion much deeper into the ship.

Ok, thanks, I just wasn't sure about that, because they seem to get holes wherever they get hit, but I get what your saying, hitting a window makes it go a lot deeper into the ship. What are these windows made of, if anyone knows, and might they have force fields on the outside of them, to make them stronger than a normal window, Everyone feel free to say these are stupid ideas, I'm just throwing out ideas that I think might make the windows stronger than we think they are, making them less of a weak point.

Nickswitz wrote:What are these windows made of

Something that breaks if it's on top of a saucer that happens to hit a planet (i.e. the bridge dome).

might they have force fields on the outside of them, to make them stronger than a normal window

No evidence of this.

Everyone feel free to say these are stupid ideas

These are stupid ideas.

Something that breaks if it's on top of a saucer that happens to hit a planet (i.e. the bridge dome).

That doesn't mean it's weak, that's a lot of force. But still, I do doubt that it would be strong enough to withstand a torp if it can't hold up to an impact.

No evidence of this.

I'm not saying that it's in any way canon, I'm just saying it could be there to make it stronger, this is all speculation on my part.

These are stupid ideas.

Too much of an invitation wasn't it, lol

Nickswitz wrote:That doesn't mean it's weak, that's a lot of force. But still, I do doubt that it would be strong enough to withstand a torp if it can't hold up to an impact.

The difference being that the bridge dome was on the top of the ship, and didn't suffer the impact directly. Unlike our hypothetical torpedo hit.

I'm not saying that it's in any way canon, I'm just saying it could be there to make it stronger, this is all speculation on my part.

Nonetheless, theory must be based on evidence, not a desire to make Starfleet look less stupid.

Too much of an invitation wasn't it, lol

Yep.

Nickswitz wrote:Ok, thanks, I just wasn't sure about that, because they seem to get holes wherever they get hit, but I get what your saying, hitting a window makes it go a lot deeper into the ship. What are these windows made of, if anyone knows, and might they have force fields on the outside of them, to make them stronger than a normal window, Everyone feel free to say these are stupid ideas, I'm just throwing out ideas that I think might make the windows stronger than we think they are, making them less of a weak point.

The best way I can think of to create the better protection is that the Ent-D is double-hulled. The outer hull has all the windows, crew quarters, and all other sorts of expendable stuff. However inside that expendable area is an inner armored hull, where the main power systems, computers, main weapons, shield generators, etc are.

That's about the only way I can think of to have an armored warship with windows. The outside is expendable.

But I don't think that's really canon, as Seafort said, we're not trying to make starfleet look smarter, we're trying to examine what we're shown by canon. Which we've never really seen that.

Can't be - if that were the case, nobody would have a view of anything but the inside of the outer hull and we wouldn't see the windows from outside.

Mikey wrote:Can't be - if that were the case, nobody would have a view of anything but the inside of the outer hull and we wouldn't see the windows from outside.

What?

The outer hull has all the windows, crew quarters, and all other sorts of expendable stuff.

Yes we could, there would be 2 hulls, one on the outside with windows and crew quarters and one that's deeper and without any windows.

Not a bad idea and it would suit SF but since we've not seen anything like that we can only hold that for future use in our own ships.

It is a good idea, which is why I highly doubt starfleet would ever use it.

Solid point.

My favourite part of the GCS still has to be the Battle Bridge, which is safely buried in the middle of the ship, until they seperate the Saucer section after which the Battle Bridge is right at the top again.

Yeah, they like putting commanding officers in danger, I wonder what benefits they get.

Nickswitz wrote:Yeah, they like putting commanding officers in danger, I wonder what benefits they get.

Maybe it's so they can do this should the need arise.