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Either way. The excelsior is the top dog of the 23rd. And, better still it looks good!

I love the refit Enterprise. I dunno, maybe it's something about how she's presented in the movies - she gets the best music, like in TMP, where there's an entire overture just to show off the awesome model they built.

Exclesior. But I also like the 2 Connies, Miranda, and Oberth. There isn't a TMP/TOS design I don't like.

Enkidu wrote:Exclesior. But I also like the 2 Connies, Miranda, and Oberth. There isn't a TMP/TOS design I don't like.

To be fair there were only so many ships to choose from. The Connies were the only Starfleet ships ever seen until the Reliant showed up.

Did you know? The original design for the Reliant/Miranda-class was upside doen from the current version, but somewhere along the line the design was flipped upside down(by accident).

really? The original design kinda seems alien then. I think it would fairly ugly like that...

Yeah, an upside-down Miranda would look damn ugly, I think.

I always loved the disignes that had necels on the bottom.

The death ray big cone thing. I forget what its called but I think it'd be cool if a future series did something more with the race that built that.

The Doomsday Device?

mmm... anti-protons...

Of course, Fed technology uses antimatter everyday to no great surprise, so...

Rochey wrote:Yeah, an upside-down Miranda would look damn ugly, I think.

Surely it would look exactly the same, it'd be just like looking at it from a different angle (eg an upside down one).

Uh......yeah, I suppose so. But from the top view it would look much uglier.

There must be some convention regarding the way ships orient themselves relative to each other, since there's no obvious reason in space that ships have to be oriented in any particular direction. Ships are shown "rightside-up" on screen, but there's really no physical difference if the ship is "upside-down;" the ship has artificial gravity and nothing would really change.

I've always thought the Excelsior/refit Connie had a certain stateliness that the more streamlined ships of the 24th century lacked. Later designs started to look more advanced, and generally cooler, but the movie era ships were classy.

TOS/TMP ships had a style to them. TNG ships seem to lack that.

Well TNG ships always make me think of IKEA furniture with warp engines on the side. Where as TOS/TMP era ships make me think of Graceful swans or something poetic like that.