Because We Hadn't Had A Scandal From Afghanistan Lately...

[Captain Seafort]

So the Afghans loyal to the Taliban are on our side?

The nation of Afghanistan is on our side - the Taleban do not represent that nation.

Being criminals doesn't mean they were soldiers.

Exactly my point.

Ask the Irish who you invaded and see if they agree.

Quite apart from your complete lack of knowledge of the historical background to the Troubles, why should I give a fuck what the Provos think?

Wrong, while they are criminals, Afghanistan is still a country that we invaded and that makes it WAR.

That made it a war nine years ago. We won. It's winning the peace that, as always, is proving considerably more difficult.

[SolkaTruesilver]

And starting to throw insults around won't help you case, so calm down.

Since I consider you inferior to even the compost pit at the local dumpyard. I feel free to insult you anytime I want, mood of sorts not required.

Just because I proved you snapped stupidly for no reason is not an excuse to lose your temper even more and try to swing dung at me and Seaford.

So again: you simply initially oriented the thread about the validity of mutilating kills for soldiers, saying that such a behavior might be normal and acceptable. I never stated otherwise.

[Deepcrush]

Just because I proved you snapped stupidly for no reason is not an excuse to lose your temper even more and try to swing dung at me and Seaford.

You didn't prove anything. Its just that I do honestly see you as an inferior person. Its not about losing temper, its about the truth. You, in my opinion, are not worth counting as a human with value.

The nation of Afghanistan is on our side - the Taleban do not represent that nation.

They did until we declared war and invaded them, crushed their primary defense and drove them to the hills.

Exactly my point.

Yeah, the switch up tactic you so love doesn't work with me. You bullshitted, you got caught grow a pair and admit it.

Quite apart from your complete lack of knowledge of the historical background to the Troubles, why should I give a f**k what the Provos think?

Totally right, the English were totally there in Ireland before the Irish. (Sarcasm)

That made it a war nine years ago. We won. It's winning the peace that, as always, is proving considerably more difficult.

I get you're knowledge is stuck solely on your own pretend world... but... since we're still fighting the same people we started the war with. That means we didn't win.

[stitch626]

You didn't prove anything.

He did... he proved you didn't say anything about civvies (true) and you defended the taking of trophies as being important to soldiers (no idea, as I'm not one).

I get you're knowledge is stuck solely on your own pretend world... but... since we're still fighting the same people we started the war with. That means we didn't win.

Of course we won, the war was declared over years ago.

[Deepcrush]

Of course we won, the war was declared over years ago.

Tell that to people still over there fighting that war then.

[stitch626]

They aren't fighting a war. Congress an the other people who determine if its a war has said the war was over. Now its just a police action with rather dangerous criminals.

[Deepcrush]

They aren't fighting a war. Congress an the other people who determine if its a war has said the war was over. Now its just a police action with rather dangerous criminals.

No, the bullets are just love letters in metal casings. What Congress says and what is really going on in the world are often different. When you invade another country, the war remains until one side wins and the other side quits. Since we're still fighting that means the war hasn't ended.

[Lighthawk]

Someone has been getting their daily serving of grumpy-o's. I know you have the burden of maintaining your status as resident badass Deep, but all Solka did was try to back you up.

[Deepcrush]

Someone has been getting their daily serving of grumpy-o's. I know you have the burden of maintaining your status as resident badass Deep, but all Solka did was try to back you up.

Its easy to be grumpy sometimes with the crap people like to pull here.

[stitch626]

They aren't fighting a war. Congress an the other people who determine if its a war has said the war was over. Now its just a police action with rather dangerous criminals.

No, the bullets are just love letters in metal casings. What Congress says and what is really going on in the world are often different. When you invade another country, the war remains until one side wins and the other side quits. Since we're still fighting that means the war hasn't ended.

The only problem with that is Congress defines when it is a war. If they say the war is over and we won, then thats how it is. Doesn't matter how much of a mess there is.

[SolkaTruesilver]

The only problem with that is Congress defines when it is a war. If they say the war is over and we won, then thats how it is. Doesn't matter how much of a mess there is.

The other problem is that Congress doesn't define the foreign policy of the countries other than America, which also takes a large brunt of the ground fighting. So how does NATO decides that a certain faction is legitimate and what other faction isn't?

I find the whole "we decide our ennemies are illegitimate" part of the conflict very blurry and, at some point, un-ethic. It's so easy to say the other side ain't covered by the rules of War because you choose they aren't. It pretty much makes these rules pointless.

I am not trying to defend the actions of the terrorists bastards. I am simply trying to make sure we actually stand for our principles as a nation when push comes to.. err.. well, when push comes to prick. The Talibans haven't actually done much bad things against the Occident.

[Deepcrush]

The only problem with that is Congress defines when it is a war. If they say the war is over and we won, then thats how it is. Doesn't matter how much of a mess there is.

Congress defines war only for congress to how they plan to treat something. Outside of their building, what they say about the matter is meaningless as it doesn't change reality.

[SolkaTruesilver]

The only problem with that is Congress defines when it is a war. If they say the war is over and we won, then thats how it is. Doesn't matter how much of a mess there is.

Congress defines war only for congress to how they plan to treat something. Outside of their building, what they say about the matter is meaningless as it doesn't change reality.

It changes the rules which applies during the conflict, AFAIK. Which may or may not be actually relevant to the soldiers on the field, obviously.

[Deepcrush]

Exactly.

Rules are burdens we place on ourselves, however our throwing rules around doesn't mean that what we want will come true.

[stitch626]

Exactly.

Rules are burdens we place on ourselves, however our throwing rules around doesn't mean that what we want will come true.

Ah, I see your point.