US vs Arizona

[Nickswitz]

Yeah, Deep, as much as that's the ideal, I've seen many times at my high school that 15 yr olds were talked to by police without parents present or informed, it's a breach of policy yes, do they care, most of the time no.

[Mikey]

You're right - illegal immigrants shouldn't be afforded the rights which citizenship or legal residence confer. That's why they use the word "illegal."

[Nickswitz]

You're right - illegal immigrants shouldn't be afforded the rights which citizenship or legal residence confer. That's why they use the word "illegal."

Yes, the problem is that they will assume that they are illegal, so if you happen to look a cop wrong, or happen to look like an illegal, then they can lock you up indefinitely or until you can prove you are not illegal.

[Mikey]

You're inconsistent. In the post to which I responded, you had a problem with this law's treatment of illegals. Now you say that it's a problem with the effect on legal residents. Which one is really the basis of the issue you have?

[Nickswitz]

No, that was Stitch, I never said anything about Illegals, I said this

Yeah, Deep, as much as that's the ideal, I've seen many times at my high school that 15 yr olds were talked to by police without parents present or informed, it's a breach of policy yes, do they care, most of the time no.

Which has nothing to do with illegals, it has to do with children being detained, Stitch was saying that illegals don't have rights. I was saying that kids don't always get the parental recognition that they are allowed by law.

I have an issue with the effects on legal citizens, not the illegal ones, I personally don't care that they detain an illegal citizen as they officially have no rights in the U.S.

[Mikey]

Beg pardon. Carry on. Stitch - see above.

[Deepcrush]

Yeah, Deep, as much as that's the ideal, I've seen many times at my high school that 15 yr olds were talked to by police without parents present or informed, it's a breach of policy yes, do they care, most of the time no.

Being talked to is different then being arrested.

[Nickswitz]

Yeah, true, however, either way they are supposed to have a parent or representative present regardless of whether or not you are under arrest.

[Deepcrush]

Nope, police don't require parents to be present for questioning in which the child is not a subject of investigation.

[Nickswitz]

Ah, right, so if they aren't the subject then the parents don't need to be present, ok, that makes a bit more sense. Well thank you for clearing that up for me Deep.

[stitch626]

Beg pardon. Carry on. Stitch - see above.

If you notice I put "" around illegal immigrants. Because most of the time (or so it appears) people assume first, ask questions later.

[Deepcrush]

Ah, right, so if they aren't the subject then the parents don't need to be present, ok, that makes a bit more sense. Well thank you for clearing that up for me Deep.

Not a problem. To me, life would just be easier if they just put an ID law into effect. In my county, they passed a accord requiring all minors of school aged minors to be issued IDs. I just don't see a problem with police officers checking ID. I wouldn't even mind if they just did random checks. Its not hard for me to flip open my wallet, flash my ID, then go about my life.

[Nickswitz]

That I wouldn't have a problem with, and kids happen to love having what seems like power so they would carry that ID with them everywhere I'm sure. Which would solve the problem.

What about those who aren't underage but don't have drivers licenses and were born in the US. They would need to either carry their social security or birth certificate, which here at least is a big piece of paper. Now if your in your hometown where your house is then that's no problem, but what if you go cross country in your car with your family as a passenger, most people I know at least don't carry their SSC or their birth certificate, SSC because then it would be easy for someone to steal it, I mean it's a little piece of paper, and the birth certificate because it's big and annoying.

So what about someone in that situation, they can detain that person in Arizona with no provocation and just have them held indefinitely without being officially charged.

[Mikey]

Bull pucks. If you are of driving age but not a driver, you just get a non-license ID. It looks just like a driver's license, only it's marked as a non-license ID and obviously doesn't have any driving endorsements.

[Nickswitz]

Ok, I didn't know that that actually existed, and I know a lot of people who do not have any drivers license nor do they carry a non-license ID.