Hypothetical

[Sonic Glitch]

So according to the Blinking Red Dot that signifies a new unread post, the last person to post in this thread was Tyyr yet I'm only seeing a post by Staplic. The same post I read a while ago. {EDIT} Now that I am replying to a post I can see Tyyr's post but I couldn't before. or just

[sunnyside]

Actually this has been a useful thread in that it's gotten me to look into the laws of my state in more detail (self defense laws vary wildly from state to state, and sometimes city to city, in the US, ranging from being able to empty a clip into anyone trespassing in your home to a woman pretty much only being able to politely request a rapist use a condom and lube).

I'm thinking what I need is some form(s) of non lethal weaponry. Now when someone's trying to kill you they're far far inferior to a firearm, and I'd like to have one at least in my home. But in a dark environment where you don't know if the other person is a stupid kid on a dare, a simple theif, or a killer, or when out at night in states that don't allow concealed carry, a TASER, stun baton, or some form of pepper spray might just be what I need.

Though, for some reason, it seems those things are banned in the UK, Canada, and New Zealand, so I guess you could just arm yourselves with some lube. That really doesn't make sense to me, unless the people in those countries are only allowed to use plasticware, we all have access to long kitchen knives, which are much more dangerous.

Anyway if anybody has some practical pepper spray or TASER advice (X26 vs C2), shoot me a PM.

[Lt. Staplic]

I can't see Tyyr's post at all, your post is the top of pg 3, and mine is the bottom of pg 2

[Tyyr]

I'd like to know how I'm supposed to know if my intruder is anything like this guy. Do serial killers have a flashing "I'm a serial killer" nametag that they slap on right before their B&E?

No they don't. That's why I assume that anyone I find in my house in the middle of the night that's not supposed to be here is the next big serial murderer/rapist and I treat them appropriately. Multiple rounds center of mass.

Part of the problem is that it's hard to tell the difference. And there's probably a wide range in between. Even if they were just there to grab some stuff. After

They might decide they don't want any witnesses, or decide to go for two birds with one stone and mug you, etc.

Precisely, just because he's after the DVD player at the moment doesn't mean when he sees you he won't change the plan. Also this scenario is a bit off for me. I wouldn't bother with a "What the hell," I'll announce my presence with gunshots. Only an idiot throws away the advantage of surprise.

I can't see Tyyr's post at all, your post is the top of pg 3, and mine is the bottom of pg 2

Yeah, reposting it above.

I'm thinking what I need is some form(s) of non lethal weaponry. Now when someone's trying to kill you they're far far inferior to a firearm, and I'd like to have one at least in my home. But in a dark environment where you don't know if the other person is a stupid kid on a dare, a simple theif, or a killer, or when out at night in states that don't allow concealed carry, a TASER, stun baton, or some form of pepper spray might just be what I need.

Anyway if anybody has some practical pepper spray or TASER advice (X26 vs C2), shoot me a PM.

I'm still a bit iffy on non-lethals. Stun batons seem the only ones I'd even consider. The issues to me are that in some cases it won't immediately incapacitate the target. Even if it does they aren't permanent incapacitates. In other words depending on how tough the guy is he could be on his feet again in a few moments or minutes. That makes it dicey if there are other guys with him or even if you just have to check to see if there are. Like it or not from my standpoint the safest course of action is to kill them.

[Deepcrush]

'Threat of Life', defined or not always comes first for me.

Yeah, you live in the US. Things are different here.

Maybe its the American speaking but it wouldn't make a difference what country I'm in.

[Lt. Staplic]

Of course it could also be the fact that Deep has enough connections that he could kill the guy and make it look like he broke in to commit suicide

[Deepcrush]

It has nothing to do with connections. Besides, its not like I'm a spy or something weird like that. The trick is to kill them in a manner that doctors would have a hard time deciding if it was or wasn't murder or self defense. If they can pin it on either then they can make a case about it. If you leave it open then often enough it makes the police look confused in court. That means it's up to a jury to take your word vs that of a dead burglar. Also, make sure they are facing up. If they are facing down there is always the chance that they may treat it as the person trying to escape.

[Tsukiyumi]

The trick is to kill them in a manner that doctors would have a hard time deciding if it was or wasn't murder or self defense...

Like an all-expenses paid trip to the bottom of the stairs?

[Uzume]

What part of "The law here allows me to use appropriate force, meaning if some guy assaults me in my home with a bat, I can beat him and disarm him but I can't kill him or just shoot him outright", do you not understand?

No Kendall here in Texas if the intruder has enough breath to sway a jury you're screwed. Even most people in law enforcement would tell you to either do it right or not at all. Still you should have someone call 911 in the home asap if you can, for your "protection". Funny thing is, if they are any where outside of your home, i.e. drive way; side walk... even inside an open front/back door you might be accused of excessive force. Bottom line shoot, shoot to kill. falls down in door way, bring him/her inside.

[Aaron]

I think part of the disconnect here is that Canada doesn't have the problems with violence that you guys do. That said if the situation requires it the intruder dies, we're just not allowed to shoot people outright intruding in our homes. Is it ideal *shrug* maybe not but our country hasn't imploded yet.

[Tsukiyumi]

...but our country hasn't imploded yet.

Ours hasn't either, but when it does, I'm sure yours is coming with us.


So, what would be a good place to meet you in my boat?

[Aaron]

I lack sea access.

[Vic]

My attitude is if they just run, let them go and call the police. If it is a home invasion scenario they will find something long pointy and sharp lodged in their guts. I have a rather mouldy skeleton in the closet, I can no longer own firearms due to a truly idiotic part of my early adulthood. Luckily I love my history, so I know that there are many things that don't go boom that kill just as efficiently now as they did then. I also have a few "advantages" if you could call it that, my wife is only just ambulatory due to bad knees, and Arizona has a "Castle Law".

I am also smart enough not to go hunting an intruder. Even trained Law Enforcement Personell know this, fort up if possible and call the police. Me I would have to set up an ambush, my 7 year old sons room is a bit away from ours so I would leave the bedroom door open and wait with my spear and the saber off to the side as backup. If a gun is involved that is my only hope of surviving till the cops get there.

[Tyyr]

Castle laws are good.

One problem with "forting up" in some cases is there's no great way to do it. In my case the master bed room is at the extreme end of the hallway with my kids further up it. I have to go down the hallway to put myself between the intruder and the kids and if I do that I'm going to wind up with a clear view of my family room. In this scenario that means I'm going to wind up seeing the intruder and if I see him I'm shooting him.

[Uzume]

Yeah, in Texas most call it our rite. Even a felon can have a hunting rifle in their home only. No hand guns, customs....

We are all so F**kn' nuts.

No one seems to have faith in any of those alarm services.