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Which isnt a good idea. Real bad PR.

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If we see them prep for a missile strike. Alpha and knock out their launch sites, or atleast the bulk of them. Some would survive of course though most would be ash. After that a few armored divisions supported by ROK-AF and our own air units out of Japan and South Korea would be a solid block. The PRC wouldn't risk a spill over or risk NCB warheads to be launched due to the risk of a miss fire. North Korea is just to blocked in right now.

The problem isn't them firing missiles. The problem is the shitload of artillary they have hidden in the mountains, the locations of which are mostly unknown to the US. Any Nork attack would be pre-empted by them rolling the big guns out of their caves and levelling everything within range, including Seoul. There's simply no way for the US to prevent this from happening, short of nuking the entire region before the war even starts.

Our air cover would mean that those sites wouldn't be firing for long. Plus, if we're in range of them then they're in range of us.

Like I said, there will be losses but they are nothing next to what the North Koreans would suffer.

stitch626 wrote:Which isnt a good idea. Real bad PR.

PR isn't the problem with nukes. The problem is that now everyone who has them has to worry that you'll use them. So now they will get the idea that maybe they should too.

Our air cover would mean that those sites wouldn't be firing for long.

How long would it take your air cover to wipe out thousands of hidden artillary cannons? I dare say it would take them long enough for Seoul to be reduced to a smoking ruin.

Plus, if we're in range of them then they're in range of us.

Yeah, but they know where we are, and we don't (initialy) know where they are.

Like I said, there will be losses but they are nothing next to what the North Koreans would suffer.

Oh, of course. NK would be utterly wiped out if it started a war. Thing is, millions of SK's would also be dead, the country would be in ruins (the northern parts would at least) and the region's economy would plumet. And let's not get into the chaos that would ensue if they decided to unite the two countries into one after the war.

How long would it take your air cover to wipe out thousands of hidden artillary cannons? I dare say it would take them long enough for Seoul to be reduced to a smoking ruin.

Thousands? I truly doubt the NKs really have thousands of cannon waiting in the hills that are able to reach Seoul. Even if they did, that would take the bulk of their heavy guns. Putting them tightly together which means its easier for us to take them out.

Yeah, but they know where we are, and we don't (initialy) know where they are.

Just leads to the cost of war.

Oh, of course. NK would be utterly wiped out if it started a war. Thing is, millions of SK's would also be dead, the country would be in ruins (the northern parts would at least) and the region's economy would plumet. And let's not get into the chaos that would ensue if they decided to unite the two countries into one after the war.

Again, you're over shooting on this. Millions of SKs dead? Hardly. That region's economy would survive just fine since most of the trade ports are on the southern half of the country. Trade being the primary resource of money in SK. As to the idea to unite Korea. A large number of NKs already want that. So many so that now most of the NK military is placed to keep NK under control. There own border guard face north now because so many NKs are trying to leave.

The people's republic of china (chicomm politburo), russia and pakistan often suckle the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, any real conflict in the region would spark a conflagration if not contained early.
Annually there are dozens of armed violations by the north including abductions&assassinations of south korean and japanese citizens both in coastal waters,in the south and even in sri lanka, even commando raids are not unknown esp sponsored by Chinese Guangzhou, Chengdu and Shenyang military region special forces 'advisors' but thankfully most of such activity is suppressed from the associated press etc and diplomatically contained, my only worry is that one day, the candle will run out of wick to burn.
I haven't managed to read the other posts but shall later, so apologies if have covered or missed points but am having a bad ass day today

Russia is in no condition to risk war with the UN.

The PRC has to much trade intrest. Allowing raids is one thing. Taking part in a war is another. Also remember that we (UN/US/ROK) send just as many raids over the border as they (NKs) do.

What ever side Pakistan takes, India will take the other. That means if (if this is what you are saying) Pakistan wants war with the US/UN. India would use the excuse to attack Pakistan.

Thousands? I truly doubt the NKs really have thousands of cannon waiting in the hills that are able to reach Seoul.

*shrug* It's what I've heard. IIRC, the figure was given by either Seafort or Kendall here. I'll try and find the thread where it was mentioned.

Even if they did, that would take the bulk of their heavy guns. Putting them tightly together which means its easier for us to take them out.

Yes, it makes them easier to take out. It also allows them to inflict millions of civillian casualties in the opening stage of a war.

Just leads to the cost of war.

And the question is whether millions of SK civilian casualties is worth it.

Again, you're over shooting on this. Millions of SKs dead? Hardly.

Seoul alone has over ten million inhabitants. There are also plenty of other heavily populated cities in the northern regions of SK. I don't think civilian casualties upwards of a million would be too far out, considering that every NK cannon and rocket would be firing at the cities.

That region's economy would survive just fine since most of the trade ports are on the southern half of the country. Trade being the primary resource of money in SK.

Do you realise just how seriously the loss of Seoul and the other northern cities would cripple the country? Imagine all the cities along the east coast of the US suddenly being wiped off the map. That's going to seriously fuck things up big time.

As to the idea to unite Korea. A large number of NKs already want that. So many so that now most of the NK military is placed to keep NK under control. There own border guard face north now because so many NKs are trying to leave.

That they want to doesn't mean it's a good idea. Hell, Germany is still paying huge sums after being reuinited, and North Korea would make East Germany look like the bargain of the century.

this thread is fun but deepcrush is on a tight leash,its like watching a panther juggle peanuts, we need a separate no holds barred b*tchslap thread/forum!

We already have one. It's called DITL.

Oh, and I've been searching for where I heard that figure for the Nork guns, but for some reason the search engine thinks that "korea" and "north korea" are "too common" and won't search it.

Granitehewer wrote:this thread is fun but deepcrush is on a tight leash,its like watching a panther juggle peanuts, we need a separate no holds barred b*tchslap thread/forum!

Tight leash???

What are you talking about?

And since when am I not "no holds barred" for bitchslapping people?

We should have an arena thread.

I had an Insult Deepcrush thread which I had hoped would turn into something like that. Sad to say, it didn't.

I remember that. Uzume loved that.

Yeah, with as many people as I bash for doing stupid things around here. You'd think that people would be eager for a shot to get even.