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Teaos wrote: What I'm saying now is why is that the case? Why can a machine or a human make something to a greater degree of skill than a machine that can form organic material from nothing?

I'm saying there's the energy factor to be worried about.

Although when it comes to why things manufactured by humans(or other sapient species) are better then machine built items...and I know I'll be laughed at for this...but the sapient built items have had more...heart put into them.

Ah so thats why Voyagers shuttle blew up before the Delta flyer, there was no love involved.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
I'm saying there's the energy factor to be worried about.

Although when it comes to why things manufactured by humans(or other sapient species) are better then machine built items...and I know I'll be laughed at for this...but the sapient built items have had more...heart put into them.

So Voyager fails because it's not Macross?

Cpl Kendall wrote:

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
I'm saying there's the energy factor to be worried about.

Although when it comes to why things manufactured by humans(or other sapient species) are better then machine built items...and I know I'll be laughed at for this...but the sapient built items have had more...heart put into them.

So Voyager fails because it's not Macross?

I'm afraid I haven't seen the whole Macross saga so I'm not sure. But human-built items, whether it be food, cars, or spaceships, seem to be a little better then their otherwise identical machine manufactured counterparts. Many cooks will back me up on the food.

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:
I'm afraid I haven't seen the whole Macross saga so I'm not sure. But human-built items, whether it be food, cars, or spaceships, seem to be a little better then their otherwise identical machine manufactured counterparts. Many cooks will back me up on the food.

Come on, there's plenty of evidence in Trek to back up the "replicator is inferior" schitck without resorting to the anime "love makes things better" cliche. Seeing as replicators rearrange stock matter into stuff, we can simply throw the warp coils on the "to much energy to replicate" or that they don't have the stock material required. I can't remember how they rebuilt the warp coils in VOY, whether they bought and refitted alien ones or fired up a previously unseen machine shop.

Hell, the mere existence of places like Sisko's father's restaurant, Picard's family's vinyard and the fact that people actualy visited Neelix's kitchen long after he became the food fascist points to replicated food being pretty inferior to normal stuff.

Well cooking processes probably add a quality a replicator cant make.

My guess is that very complex items - such as warp coils - require a degree of molecular or sub-molecular fidelity that replicators can't duplicate. The same reason could explain why "home-cooked" food tastes better than replicated.

How do machines get that level of quality?

Teaos wrote:How do machines get that level of quality?

Well, for one thing they don't fritter away half their day surfing Trek forums

Teaos wrote:How do machines get that level of quality?

With a whole lot of TLC

Captain Picard's Hair wrote:

Teaos wrote:How do machines get that level of quality?

Well, for one thing they don't fritter away half their day surfing Trek forums

Have you met Rochey?

Nobody ever actually said that warp coils were hard to make in the show. Outside of the show Rick Sternback said that making a coil involves repeatedly "baking" it and the cooling it very slowly to grow crystal structures in different ways in different layers. He said this was a very difficult and long winded process. His reasoning was that if there wasn't some limitation like that then the Federation would just build some gigantic industrial replicator and start replicating whole starships at the touch of a button, or at least squirting out huge big hull modules that could be rapidly assembled.

DS9 put a bit of a crimp in this, though; the Mirror universe rebels built a Defiant copy in a maximum of about one year. In that time they captured Deep Space Nine and produced a set of brand new warp coils from scratch. So much for a long involved manufacturing process.

Maybe they raided a warp coil factory that had coils in the size they needed in stock?

Blackstar the Chakat wrote:Maybe they raided a warp coil factory that had coils in the size they needed in stock?

The right size and shape for a ship that originated in a different reality, was revolutionary in it's own universe, and was based on a design lineage that ended decades earlier?