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Re: Lasers

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:32 pm
by Mark
That's why I'm voting for Obama. Hopefully if he wins he'll bring a cooler head to the country. One not obsessed with military action. If McCain gets in, I see more and more years of war.

Re: Lasers

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:38 pm
by Mikey
Captain Seafort wrote:It suspect it does, however, contribute to other nations being somewhat reluctant to get involved in your wars - they'd never be able tell whether the enemy or their "allies" posed the great threat.
Umm... OK. True enough, I suppose, if completely tangential.

Re: Lasers

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:29 pm
by Aaron
Deepcrush wrote:I never learned many of these since they told us no one cared but... in the eyes of you none Americans, how many International Laws of War does the USA break?
Off the top of my head:

Violating the Geneva Convention in regards to POW's.
Torturing said POW's.
Illegal deportation of terrorist suspects.
Abducting terrorist suspects in other countries in violation of their laws.

The biggest kick in the ass to the US allies is the redefinition of "ally" to "do whatever we say without question". Otherwise your with the enemy, that's the lasting legacy of this administration: the complete burning of bridges with longstanding supporters.

Re: Lasers

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:59 pm
by Mark
Uncle George is trying to be like Mel Brooks when he said, "It's good to be the king!"

Re: Lasers

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:32 am
by Deepcrush
Does that mean we get to see the french kill him! :D

Re: Lasers

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:57 am
by Mikey
Cpl Kendall wrote:
Deepcrush wrote:I never learned many of these since they told us no one cared but... in the eyes of you none Americans, how many International Laws of War does the USA break?
Off the top of my head:

Violating the Geneva Convention in regards to POW's.
Torturing said POW's.
Illegal deportation of terrorist suspects.
Abducting terrorist suspects in other countries in violation of their laws.

The biggest kick in the ass to the US allies is the redefinition of "ally" to "do whatever we say without question". Otherwise your with the enemy, that's the lasting legacy of this administration: the complete burning of bridges with longstanding supporters.
Agreed with all of the above, except "illegal deportation." It is of course deplorable to do this without true cause (rather than suspicion, unless the people in question are here illegaly) but how can that be regulated by international rather than internal oversight?

Re: Lasers

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:03 am
by Aaron
Mikey wrote: Agreed with all of the above, except "illegal deportation." It is of course deplorable to do this without true cause (rather than suspicion, unless the people in question are here illegaly) but how can that be regulated by international rather than internal oversight?
When you deport a man not to the country of his residence but back to the country he was visiting, that is a violation of international law and several agreements. I am referring of course to the Maher Arar scandal.

Re: Lasers

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:12 am
by Mikey
Ah. I thought you were referring to the more general policy of deportation to the individual's nation of origin. Never mind. :oops:

Re: Lasers

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:14 am
by Aaron
Mikey wrote:Ah. I thought you were referring to the more general policy of deportation to the individual's nation of origin. Never mind. :oops:
NP.

Re: Lasers

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:30 am
by Mark
Reminds me of that sceen in "Johnny Dangerously" when the deport the other mob boss to Sweden, and he says he's even from there.