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No, it's because the "good" schools want a certain amount of money, and don't care if you don't have it.

Mikey wrote:No, it's because the "good" schools want a certain amount of money, and don't care if you don't have it.

Not that intelligence, aptitude, and talent should be considered. At least, not in the great, all-powerful US. Whoever can pay for it gets it.

Sorry. I'm still recovering from "T-A", and his elitist, revisionist horseshit views on the way things are, and how they should be...

Amazing.

Tsukiyumi wrote:

Mikey wrote:No, it's because the "good" schools want a certain amount of money, and don't care if you don't have it.

Not that intelligence, aptitude, and talent should be considered. At least, not in the great, all-powerful US. Whoever can pay for it gets it.

Just like few people raise much of a ruckus, and certainly don't spend years complaining about corporate bailouts and all the forms of corporate welfare, but are happy to froth into rages about Aid to Families with Dependent Children ("welfare" as most people think of it), people are very fast to rant about Affirmative Action (despite its widespread death across most of the country, people act like it's still overpoweringly influential) and slow to learn about Legacy Programs, essentially Affirmative Action for rich people's stupid kids. (George W Bush, anyone?)

On a slightly related not all branchs of our military are having real problems getting enough recruits to fill basics need let alone be effective. The spend shit loads on advertising.

Tsukiyumi wrote:

Mikey wrote:No, it's because the "good" schools want a certain amount of money, and don't care if you don't have it.

Not that intelligence, aptitude, and talent should be considered. At least, not in the great, all-powerful US. Whoever can pay for it gets it.

I understand where you're coming from, Tsukiyumi, but America does happen to be a capitalist society. To play devil's advocate, how would you justify forcing a business to offer it's services for a mandated price, less than market value, on a case by case basis? If I came from a rich family, how would you justify making me pay more for the same service than you?

Oddly enough, tonnes of young people over here are joining the reserve military. I'd say about four fifths of the students I teach who can join, have joined. Virtualy no one has joined the actual military, though, and just opt for the one where you just have to attend once a week and shoot guns at nothing.

Oddly enough, tonnes of young people over here are joining the reserve military. I'd say about four fifths of the students I teach who can join, have joined. Virtualy no one has joined the actual military, though, and just opt for the one where you just have to attend once a week and shoot guns at nothing.

We get a lot of that too, because they also help a bit towards college.

Rochey wrote:Oddly enough, tonnes of young people over here are joining the reserve military. I'd say about four fifths of the students I teach who can join, have joined. Virtualy no one has joined the actual military, though, and just opt for the one where you just have to attend once a week and shoot guns at nothing.

Hey man, the Militia is serious business. I mean you have to wear a uniform and everything!

Mikey wrote:

Tsukiyumi wrote:

Mikey wrote:No, it's because the "good" schools want a certain amount of money, and don't care if you don't have it.

Not that intelligence, aptitude, and talent should be considered. At least, not in the great, all-powerful US. Whoever can pay for it gets it.

I understand where you're coming from, Tsukiyumi, but America does happen to be a capitalist society. To play devil's advocate, how would you justify forcing a business to offer it's services for a mandated price, less than market value, on a case by case basis? If I came from a rich family, how would you justify making me pay more for the same service than you?

Because this society is based upon the delusion that it's a meritocracy. And saying that people can buy their way to more merit because they were born to rich parents and could afford a better school completely undermines the myth of the American Dream.

When one year of school at virtually any of the top 20-25% of universities costs as much as a typical family makes in a year (gross, before living expenses), that's a problem.

I really can't see any good reason why education would ever be treated as a business. Along with healthcare.

Tsukiyumi wrote:I really can't see any good reason why education would ever be treated as a business. Along with healthcare.

Agreed... 99%

Believe me, I'm sympathetic to your point - I have never finished my degree due to lack of money - but the reason that higher education is treated as a business is, simply put, this is America.

Mikey wrote:Believe me, I'm sympathetic to your point - I have never finished my degree due to lack of money - but the reason that higher education is treated as a business is, simply put, this is America.

Plenty of advanced, successful free nations which are basically capitalist see the value in collective support for things like education and healthcare. Socializing certain basic services everyone needs to have opportunities for success doesn't mean the price of bread is fixed. In fact WE believe in it too; there's just been either a cutting of budget (such as in California) for higher education, or many states have not recognized the rising costs of education (the same is true of the G.I. Bill) and support has fallen far behind, to where the major burden has fallen back on the individual to fund their own education.