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IanKennedy wrote:800 saved including Kirk, means 799 crew saved. Plus 1 captain lost, 1 George Kirk lost, 1 woman blown out into space = 802 crew minimum.

Pike could have been rounding though. In any case, I had the impression in my mind (purely conjectural) that many of the 800 were civilians, what with pregnant women on board.

But he didn't say anything that would typically indicate that he was rounding. Like saying "over 800", or "nearly 800". It was just 800. Plus, as I say there were others seen at least injured so it could be more. Also, what would it matter if they were civilians or crew, we were talking about how large the ship was, using the "crew" to give an estimate of it's size.

We don't know that there were any civilians on board. Kirk's mother could just have been a crewer that got pregnant while on board. oTOS Trek never had any civilians on the ship, so until I see otherwise I'm going to go with the assumption that nTOS Trek is the same.

Rochey wrote:We don't know that there were any civilians on board. Kirk's mother could just have been a crewer that got pregnant while on board. oTOS Trek never had any civilians on the ship, so until I see otherwise I'm going to go with the assumption that nTOS Trek is the same.

Actually it did....

It did?

Sorta.

It was originally envisaged that the ship would carry civilians. The idea was dropped for the main series, but take a peek at this, 9:25 in.

GrahamKennedy wrote:Sorta.

It was originally envisaged that the ship would carry civilians. The idea was dropped for the main series, but take a peek at this, 9:25 in.

You mean the folks wandering around in civvies? I always assumed they were off-duty.

Nope. They were put there as civilians.

A lot of the things people around here don't like about TNG was supposed to be in TOS but got dropped for one reason or another. TNG was more than once referred to as the Star Trek that Gene had always wanted to make.

And then Picard went and bitched about having kids and civilians aboard his ship.

GrahamKennedy wrote:Nope. They were put there as civilians.

A lot of the things people around here don't like about TNG was supposed to be in TOS but got dropped for one reason or another. TNG was more than once referred to as the Star Trek that Gene had always wanted to make.

Do you have anything on that?

Don't remember where I read it

It was never canonicaly stated, so I can happily assume that they were just off-duty and go on living in my belief that TOS was the era of competance.

Mrs. Kirk was in Starfleet. From the writers.

It's been a while since I saw The Cage, but that line about a woman on the bridge made me cringe. Geez, the world has come a long way in a few decades.