Gay marriage arguments

[Aaron]

There are more variables involved then that, for my definintion of successful at least.

Stop beating around the bush. What are your requirements for a successful marriage?

[Teaos]

No, it's part of ape nature.

Dispite what people may wish to believe humans are animals and are ruled by our genes genetic memory.

[Aaron]

Dispite what people may wish to believe humans are animals and are ruled by our genes genetic memory.

Hence why if given the chance people (sexually mature people) will rut like rabbits. The drive to pass on our genes is one of the strongest we have.

[sunnyside]

Dispite what people may wish to believe humans are animals and are ruled by our genes genetic memory.

You have the insitincts. Whether you choose to be ruled by them is up to you. Personally I've managed to get along so far without murdering or raping anybody.

[sunnyside]

I wonder why we would think that? Could it be we've been screwed over by christians before? Like the list I presented in another thread to you that you ignored?

In any case, I judge people case by case as I meet them. There's no reason in my mind not to assume the worst when I met someone who identifies themselves as an xtian until they prove otherwise. And before you jump on that, I apply that to everyone. I expect the worst and then get pleasently surprised most of the time. That's what comes from being a Canadian Vet, we're scum and we get used to being treated like scum..

I don't recall this list. But I do recall some stuff with your wife any in laws.

Alright, so apparently you're a guy that crosses the street when he sees black people coming, counts his change twice after dealing with Jews, and what not. Fine enough I suppose.

I guess what I'm saying is realize that that most church going Christians aren't your inlaws and more importantly if you're ever trying to actually discuss LGBTA rights or advocating for them leave your Christian hate at the door.

[Aaron]

I don't recall this list. But I do recall some stuff with your wife any in laws.

That was the list.

Alright, so apparently you're a guy that crosses the street when he sees black people coming, counts his change twice after dealing with Jews, and what not. Fine enough I suppose.

And where was that said you f*cking piece of sh!t?

I guess what I'm saying is realize that that most church going Christians aren't your inlaws and more importantly if you're ever trying to actually discuss LGBTA rights or advocating for them leave your Christian hate at the door.

Jebus you are a retard aren't you, I've been saying that all along. I guess your faith isn't strong enough to hear a little criticism then, sounds like it's about time to bust out Rochey's favorite pic.

[sunnyside]

And where was that said you f*cking piece of sh!t?

There's no reason in my mind not to assume the worst when I met someone who identifies themselves as an xtian until they prove otherwise. And before you jump on that, I apply that to everyone.

I took it to mean you acted as though stereotypes were true with different groups until proven otherwise.
Or were you instead trying to say that you assume most people are gay hating and sexually repressed until proven otherwise?

Jebus you are a retard aren't you, I've been saying that all along.

I'll accept that at least you'll at least pay lip service to understanding most Christians aren't you in-laws, and maybe even internalize that. However I'm not so sure you got the "Keep your Christian hating out of your LGBTA advocacy". Usually you responded to my comments on that with some reason why you've got a ligit beef with Christians. But the flow chart? Not helping the cause. I suppose its good for a chuckle for a couple of you and I think it came from the humor thread. But still, for all you know it helped convince some lurker the LGBTA community hates him, so maybe he better dish some payback at the ballot box.

[Aaron]

I took it to mean you acted as though stereotypes were true with different groups until proven otherwise.
Or were you instead trying to say that you assume most people are gay hating and sexually repressed until proven otherwise?

We're not bloody stupid, most intelligent people understand that what is seen does not represent the whole demographic. Would any intelligent Yank honestly believe that I live in an igloo and take my kids to school on a dogsled, despite living on the same parallel as them?

It's a stereotype and the reason it exists is because the most vocal xtian's in the US just happen to be bughouse nuts.

Perhaps you've noticed that I don't actually live in the US? Christians are a little different here for the most part, that said I assume the worst of everyone I meet. Which I also said before but you cut off and ignored the part that explained why.

I'll accept that at least you'll at least pay lip service to understanding most Christians aren't you in-laws, and maybe even internalize that. However I'm not so sure you got the "Keep your Christian hating out of your LGBTA advocacy". Usually you responded to my comments on that with some reason why you've got a ligit beef with Christians. But the flow chart? Not helping the cause. I suppose its good for a chuckle for a couple of you and I think it came from the humor thread. But still, for all you know it helped convince some lurker the LGBTA community hates him, so maybe he better dish some payback at the ballot box.

Yep it's time:



Legit reason? Of course you wouldn't understand why an athiest marrying into a Catholic family would be upset with xtians, you've never experianced what I discuss because you belong to the majority.

[sunnyside]

Perhaps you've noticed that I don't actually live in the US? Christians are a little different here for the most part, that said I assume the worst of everyone I meet. Which I also said before but you cut off and ignored the part that explained why.

Perhaps you could elaborate on what you mean by "assume the worst" . You seemed to use it to indicate that you apply the worst stereotypes to Christians until proven otherwise. But dispite saying you do it to everybody you take offense that the idea you'd apply it to other demographics. So what did you mean?

I don't see why the vet thing would make you assume the worst about everybody. If anything you'd think you'd be sensitive to stereotyping having experienced it youself. (As a side note the redneck southern babtist type of Christian you seem to like the least would probably respect you a lot for that.)

you've never experianced what I discuss because you belong to the majority.

Well, I'll make no claims to experiencing the wife thing or really anything of that sort that hit that close to home. However I'm in academia in Philadelphia. Which sort of makes calling me "in the majority" sort of like calling a white guy "in the majority" if they live in South Africa.

[Aaron]

Perhaps you could elaborate on what you mean by "assume the worst" . You seemed to use it to indicate that you apply the worst stereotypes to Christians until proven otherwise. But dispite saying you do it to everybody you take offense that the idea you'd apply it to other demographics. So what did you mean?

I assume that people are assholes until they prove otherwise.

I don't see why the vet thing would make you assume the worst about everybody. If anything you'd think you'd be sensitive to stereotyping having experienced it youself. (As a side note the redneck southern babtist type of Christian you seem to like the least would probably respect you a lot for that.)

I've tried to explain this before, perhaps with little success as most people here aern't Canadian. Soldiers in Canada have been regarded as scum for a long time, since about the end of Korea. For reasons that I frankly don't quite understand (I was a fourth generation soldier, so my family doesn't share that), the general populace doesn't seem to care for us or our profession. I have a Veterans plate on my vehicle and often wear my old pt shirt and I get looks ranging from disdain to outright disgust, perhaps it's because of the Somalia Scandel but the problem definitely existed before 1992.

Well, I'll make no claims to experiencing the wife thing or really anything of that sort that hit that close to home. However I'm in academia in Philadelphia. Which sort of makes calling me "in the majority" sort of like calling a white guy "in the majority" if they live in South Africa.

I imagine that would do it. It is hard to understand the sheer amount of BS that you have to put up with when an athiest marries into a religious family (my wife is an athiest though). Unfortunately, I didn't really become aware of everything that went on untill recently because I was so screwed up for the majority of our marriage.

[sunnyside]

I've tried to explain this before, perhaps with little success as most people here aern't Canadian. Soldiers in Canada have been regarded as scum for a long time, since about the end of Korea. For reasons that I frankly don't quite understand (I was a fourth generation soldier, so my family doesn't share that), the general populace doesn't seem to care for us or our profession. I have a Veterans plate on my vehicle and often wear my old pt shirt and I get looks ranging from disdain to outright disgust, perhaps it's because of the Somalia Scandel but the problem definitely existed before 1992.

There have been eras where soliders in the US have been considered baby killers by at least a vocal portion of the populace and there are still demographics here that pretty much consider anyone who has had regular contact with a firearm to be a nasty violent person be they soldiers, cops or hunters. So I suppose it isn't to hard to imagine a whole country like that.

[Aaron]

There have been eras where soliders in the US have been considered baby killers by at least a vocal portion of the populace and there are still demographics here that pretty much consider anyone who has had regular contact with a firearm to be a nasty violent person be they soldiers, cops or hunters. So I suppose it isn't to hard to imagine a whole country like that.

Well, it's not quite the whole country but it seems to be a widely held view. Right now it's fashionable to "support the troops" (which means a car magnet) because of Afghanistan but that will pass. Frankly alot of us feel betrayed because before Afghanistan we didn't matter and now we do.

[Captain Seafort]

Well, it's not quite the whole country but it seems to be a widely held view. Right now it's fashionable to "support the troops" (which means a car magnet) because of Afghanistan but that will pass. Frankly alot of us feel betrayed because before Afghanistan we didn't matter and now we do.

"It's Tommy this and Tommy that and Tommy go away, but it's thank you Mr. Atkins when the band begins to play"

Unfortunately I doubt that attitude will change any more in the future than it has up till now.

[Aaron]

"It's Tommy this and Tommy that and Tommy go away, but it's thank you Mr. Atkins when the band begins to play"

Unfortunately I doubt that attitude will change any more in the future than it has up till now.

Exactly, I'm sure you have an idea of what it's like. The English Army was regarded as a pack of criminals for centuries (and I hear still are to a degree).

[sunnyside]

That seems weird though. Making an organization like CEFCOM doesn't seem like a hippie sort of thing to do. Could it be that members of the Conservative party support the troops and you happen to hang around New Democrats?