The Big Four.....

Post by **Mikey** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:30 am

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http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

Click on "categories" on the left-hand nav menu for a site map of topics.

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Wed May 21, 2008 12:32 am

Thank you.

Post by **Teaos** » Wed May 21, 2008 1:36 am

How is it ENT's fault that they 'screwed' with a non-canon source?

Its always ENT's fault... always.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:02 am

Teaos wrote:
How is it ENT's fault that they 'screwed' with a non-canon source?
Its always ENT's fault... always.

Bullcrap. ENT gets a lot of undue flak. This is one of those instances.

Post by **Teaos** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:10 am

Always...

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:12 am

Teaos wrote:Always...

Bullcrap... Again. Total and complete.

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Wed May 21, 2008 2:53 am

When I first started posting on the forums, everything was Voyager's fault, or Janeway's fault. Then somehow it became all about the TNG Federation being stupid and incompetent. Now it's rolled around to Enterprise. I guess it's cyclical?

Post by **Teaos** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:01 am

No its always been ENT's fault. We just try not to think about it to much.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed May 21, 2008 3:26 am

Yep. ENT is the franchise's equivalent of 20th century France.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:55 am

Duskofdead wrote:When I first started posting on the forums, everything was Voyager's fault, or Janeway's fault. Then somehow it became all about the TNG Federation being stupid and incompetent. Now it's rolled around to Enterprise. I guess it's cyclical?

It's all of the above - Janeway's fault for her deep personal stupidity, the TNG-era Federation's fault for institutionalised stupidity, and Enterprise's fault for B&B's stupidity.

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:19 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:
Duskofdead wrote:When I first started posting on the forums, everything was Voyager's fault, or Janeway's fault. Then somehow it became all about the TNG Federation being stupid and incompetent. Now it's rolled around to Enterprise. I guess it's cyclical?
It's all of the above - Janeway's fault for her deep personal stupidity, the TNG-era Federation's fault for institutionalised stupidity, and Enterprise's fault for B&B's stupidity.

So viewable Trek consists of TOS and DS9? Kinda limited.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:29 pm

The best Trek consists of TOS and DS9. Watchable Trek consists of most of TNG, some of Voyager and some of Enterprise (all of it in seasons 3 and 4).

Unwatchable garbage includes early TNG, most of Voyager, and most of Enterprise.

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:31 pm

I suppose that's a matter of intense subjectivity. I found a lot of DS9 droll and almost all of Voyager at least entertaining. With DS9 if something wasn't actively advancing the war story, or about Ferengi, it was usually a yawnfest.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:37 pm

I found DS9 seasons 5 and 6 to be the best televised Trek of the lot (they can't beat II or VI as the best ever). Voyager at its best in seasons 4 and 5 was better than DS9's poor start, or TNG's crap start, but was never as good as any of earlier ones in their heyday. Most of the time Voyager would have been somewhere between 'meh' and 'crap', but was dragged up by Picardo into something worth watching, if only for his scenes.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu May 22, 2008 1:06 am

I still stand by my opinion that I'd rather fu*k a cheese grater than watch the garbage that is TOS.

The Big Four.....

Who is the '4' in the A&B ''big four''